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Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by dave333 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @06:17PM (#33686598)
The original idea for tiny homes was to avoid the mortgage rat race and retire early. An alternate solution that is almost as inexpensive but that doesn't involve living in a shoebox is a mobile home in a good old fashioned mobile home park. For seniors looking to downsize/economize their retirement a MH in a quiet senior 55+ community can solve the financial problem while still allowing them a single family home dwelling that you can park next to (unlike an apartment) and that is cheap enough to live near you grandchildren in a metro area. Senoir parks also have many community benefits for retirees. The one downside is the space rent that you have to pay to the park that is not under your control. Some parks such as Natural Bridges on the Pacific Ocean near Santa Cruz, CA have astronomical space rents ($5000+/month). Other places such as San Jose have rent control ordinances that limit increases in space rent to 3%/year. A few parks are set up where the residents own the park and so the rent they pay is to themselves and they have democratic control over any increases. In most cases space rent is comparable to property taxes in a normal single family home. Construction of new mobile homes is very adequate and at the same time affordable generally in the range of $100k-$150k. MHPs have been socially maligned but they are a great housing solution and a much better option than most people think.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by thinkmcfly on Sunday November 20, 2022 @06:38PM (#33686763)
I'd advise against a mh for older people. As soon as your knee or hip goes the mh is useless
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by Scoundreller on Sunday November 20, 2022 @06:44PM (#33686809)
I think they're mostly describing the immobile kind that's basically a pre-fab home trucked to the spot. Sometimes double-wide.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by dave333 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @06:47PM (#33686830)
Not true - MHs can have special shallow stairs that are easier on the knees or even a wheelchair ramp or lift if necessary. All three of these options exist on houses on my street. Also my wife has bad knees but had knee joint replacement surgery on one pre-Covid and is scheduling the other knee post-Covid and she is happy with normal stairs.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by shagmin on Sunday November 20, 2022 @06:48PM (#33686839)
I've known a couple people at least that lived in mobile homes and had a ramp built to accommodate them better. Are you saying for situations where a ramp isn't an option or isn't sufficient?
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by alistairSH on Sunday November 20, 2022 @06:49PM (#33686848)
Small problem - investment groups have realized there’s money to be squeezed out of the tenants. If you can find a co-op park, or something with strong tenant rights and price controls, it might make sense. But buying a MH in a park owned by a family runs the risk of astronomic rent increases and reduced services should the family sell to one of several professional investments groups.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/15/what-happens-w...

Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by _carbyau_ on Sunday November 20, 2022 @07:32PM (#33687195)
What I absorbed: housing shouldn't be an investment market, otherwise investors try to suck the money out of everyone. Whatever corner they try to hide.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by MilnerRoute on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:24PM (#33688744)
That's actually one of the big problems with buying a mobile home. They don't really increase in value (as much as, say, owning a traditional home).
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by djbebs on Monday November 21, 2022 @12:59PM (#33695669)
You understand that investors are providing a needed service, right?

Their existence in the market doesn't stop you from existing.

Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by lm28469 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @06:20AM (#33704547)
We collectively decide what's ok or not. The market is man made, man regulated, if tomorrow we decide housing is a basic necessity we can change that

Meanwhile we let the Qataris &co buy flats in Europe capitals and keep them empty as investments vessels, I find that much more disgusting that "think of the investors =("

Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by djbebs on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:54AM (#33716736)
Again, how does the existence of investors making money by providing housing prevent you from providing housing at below market cost?

You'll find that it doesn't. That any such restrictions are political decisions not investor decisions.

Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by dave333 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @08:58PM (#33687772)
I wrote about the space rent issue. The bottom line is you may have to abandon your MH or sell it cheap if an investor jacks up the space rent, but the MH cost split over the time of your residency would be relatively small. Example $100k MH over 8 years is about $1k/month worst case.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by scarface74 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @07:29PM (#33687171)
That’s not a “solution”. You never own the land and investment companies are buying up the land and jacjpmb up rent.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by dave333 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @08:50PM (#33687729)
Try reading what I wrote.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by scarface74 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @09:12PM (#33687861)
> The one downside is the space rent that you have to pay to the park that is not under your control.

“Other than that, how did you enjoy the show Mrs. Lincoln?”

Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by dave333 on Monday November 21, 2022 @02:08AM (#33689719)
If they jack up the space rent too high they will end up owning an empty park.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by scarface74 on Monday November 21, 2022 @07:18AM (#33691716)
No because even though a “mobile home” is suppose to be just that, in reality the cost to move your home also becomes unaffordable.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by ben_w on Monday November 21, 2022 @09:07AM (#33692592)
That's also true for normal landlords (citation: I am one), but that doesn't mean normal rent isn't getting pushed as high as possible by the fundamental nature of market incentives.

I'm of the the opinion that the market which is making me so much money right now is fundamentally broken, and that the only fix is for local governments to be at least half as much in the business of building and letting out housing as they already are in the business of building infrastructure such as roads and utilities — lots, but not necessarily all.

Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by scarface74 on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:06AM (#33693339)
The difference is that when a “normal landlord” raises their rents to make it unaffordable, you can find a few friends, rent a UHaul and move somewhere else for a couple of hundred dollars or worse case, you can move in relatives, with friends, or even an extended stay and put your stuff in storage [1].

Moving your mobile home can cost between $3K and $15k and even that presupposes that your mobile home is in some type of shape to move without repairs (https://www.moving.com/tips/moving-mobile-home-expect-pay/)

[1] my wife son and I stayed in an extended stay for 6 months when we decided at the last minute to have a house built instead of buying one. We didn’t want to pay the month to month rates.

Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by anikom15 on Monday November 21, 2022 @03:23PM (#33697428)
That’s the point.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by grimacing on Sunday November 20, 2022 @09:51PM (#33688118)
These were great 10 years ago, but lot rents are too high now.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by scotty79 on Monday November 21, 2022 @02:11AM (#33689741)
If the solution is putting your senior citizens on wheels than the problem must be seriously borked in some aspect.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by DAVer98 on Monday November 21, 2022 @03:01AM (#33690041)
Lol reading this just makes me think Kanye was right
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by j-krieger on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:19AM (#33690934)
> mobile homes [are] very adequate and at the same time affordable generally in the range of $100k-$150k.

This is absolute insanity. In the midwest or quieter parts of Europe, this would already net you half to two thirds of a nice home.

Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by yetihehe on Monday November 21, 2022 @06:04AM (#33691234)
In 2018 I've started building my home, end of 2019 I've finished it. Total cost: $150k, two story with 3 bedrooms, 2 bath, 2 space garage and large basement. If I started now, it would cost over $300k and I couldn't afford it anymore. Prices now are just insane.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by DontchaKnowit on Monday November 21, 2022 @09:07AM (#33692587)
I have a friend that bought a house with a full guest house in metro area of missouri for 125k. He lives in guest house and rents oyt the house to travel nurses for more than hist mortgage payment.
Re:I Hate Living in My Tiny House by ElevenLathe on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:42AM (#33693785)
Make that all of a nice home. I just bought a nice 3 bedroom/2 bath detached house on 1/4 acres for 120k in May. We're in a city but not a huge one.