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Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by Mikeb85 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:29AM (#33682324)
No you're right, the UK is done. Little to no industry left, they were a nation of bankers and multinationals that exploited their former colonies. But it's not because of Brexit, COVID or Russia. It's because they never adapted and the rich in their country cared more about maintaining status than improving the country.

Look at France and Germany: industry, tech, lots of "producing" businesses thrive. Paris has even overtaken London in finance. There's simply more ambition, innovation and energy.

Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by ekianjo on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:42AM (#33682494)
France has ambition? France has the only ambition to barely function as a country and not much else.
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by Mikeb85 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:00PM (#33682728)
France has plenty of multinationals, produces research, startups, propagates culture, etc... Yes, by European standards France has tons of ambition.
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by mike_hearn on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:11PM (#33682858)
By that definition so does the UK.
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by cjbgkagh on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:46AM (#33682533)
France lost a few African colonies (protectorates?) recently, something there has been surprisingly little mainstream news about. People forget that France is still running a mini empire quietly on the side.
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by etiennemarcel on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:52AM (#33682627)
What colonies are you referring too? The last one was Djibouti in 77...
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by cjbgkagh on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:06PM (#33682797)
Mail for example. But there are quite a few French troops still protecting French interests in their various former colonies in Africa - a place where statehood is a nebulous concept so I think it’s fair to say that many of these places still act in effect as protectorates. Add in resource extraction and it also starts to look like a colony again.
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by alephxyz on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:25PM (#33683046)
Most of the mining industry in Mali is owned by Barrick, Allied Gold and Anglogold Ashanti, none of them are French. The French intervention in northern Mali was to avoid a spillover into western Niger (where France sources most of the uranium it uses for its power production).
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by blibble on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:00PM (#33682729)
go and have a read about the CFA franc
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by Melting_Harps on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:08PM (#33682821)
> What colonies are you referring too? The last one was Djibouti in 77...

Monetary exploitation is the most effective means of bondage and most widely accepted form to control over a population because it is required for any transaction that doesn't get solely resolved by violence, in doing so you can essentially tax, govern, and structure Society without the need or expense of an occupying presence just the occasional military operation to remind them of said colonization: up until 2020 or so the CFA was used in 8 African nations and had a dire strain on those nation's people [0]. You should listen to Francis Ngannou's talk about the effective bondage African nations were operating under French rule because of the CFA that made trade between even neighboring African nations impossible.

Colonialism takes on many faces, but as the saying goes: He who controls the money supply of a nation controls the nation.

> go and have a read about the CFA franc

Agreed, also look into why France has had continual conflicts in the Ivory Coast to see how it achieved this.

0: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/23/africa/france-stops-use-of-cf...

Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by alephxyz on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:19PM (#33682964)
Aren't states free to adopt or drop the CFA franc? How does that make them colonies?
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by blibble on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:38AM (#33682433)
> Paris has even overtaken London in finance

citation please?

in terms of finacial centres: NYC is first, followed by London (and they swap places every so often)

down at number 15 or so is Paris

Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by VBprogrammer on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:40AM (#33682455)
I believe this is reference to the fact that the French stock exchange is now larger than the London Stock exchange.
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by blibble on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:42AM (#33682489)
and of course the LSE is an extremely small part of the financial sector
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by retrac98 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:42AM (#33682497)
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by blibble on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:45AM (#33682523)
quite what the summed market caps of companies traded on a single exchange has to do with the size or competitiveness of the UK financial sector I really don't understand

Apple's market cap alone is larger than the entire LSE, and Paris exchange

Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by Mikeb85 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:00PM (#33682731)
You do realize the US is a MAJOR outlier, right?
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by kasey_junk on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:39PM (#33683164)
It’s only an outlier because it so handily dominates equities trading.

Using the Paris exchange overtaking the London exchange as a barometer for broader overtaking of the finance industry is akin to saying that a person is taking over the F1 title from someone after beating them in a bike race around their house.

Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by blibble on Sunday November 20, 2022 @01:02PM (#33683400)
it's only one of the London exchanges too!
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by andyjohnson0 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:43AM (#33682504)
> citation please?

London Loses Crown of Biggest European Stock Market to Paris - 14 November 2022

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-14/london-lo...

Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by mhh__ on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:22PM (#33683005)
London has never really been an equities place to my knowledge.

Ever noticed that the L in LIBOR stands for London?

Interest rates and money (FX) (money can also refer to short term rates but KISS) is very much still London's thing especially relative to other European cities.

Aside: French engineering talent is massively underappreciated.

Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by chrisbolt on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:04PM (#33701244)
LIBOR, which is being replaced with SOFR?
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by cjbgkagh on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:36AM (#33682409)
No taxing India for opium to force sell to China to bail them out this time.
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by CommanderData on Sunday November 20, 2022 @11:51AM (#33682606)
The rich perpetuate anti-Taxation ideas through our political class.

Currently the UK system is not "pay to play", if this changed tomorrow someone will be happily own the asset sacrificing a true percentage. In fact Tax is an idea our bankers want to see more of, the outspoken ones that is.

Our UK assets are still worth a pretty penny and last I checked it's kinda difficult to annex physical property to an offshore country. The political classes job is selling this country to the highest bidder as fast the public allows them to get away with and they plan to be in power for a very long time with the help of the media.

Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by nivenkos on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:03PM (#33682757)
Germany is incredibly backward compared to the UK - they're still using faxes and cash for a start.
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by davewritescode on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:36PM (#33683133)
I would take the German economy all day every day over the UK economic house of cards. The UK doesn’t make anything and was mostly acting as the financial center for the trading block in just left.

Brexit was a disaster for their economy and it will take decades for the UK to stop feeling the pain.

Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by phatfish on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:24PM (#33683030)
I'll take the "backward" German economy over the financial house of cards the UK economy is build on.
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by randomsearch on Sunday November 20, 2022 @01:07PM (#33683449)
Germany’s economy is diverse, and their political system is robust. These two things are not unrelated.

They are a bit bureaucratic for sure.

Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by a_c on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:16PM (#33682929)
I'm new to the UK. The sentiment I get is people here in UK are generally less ambitious?
Re:UK food price inflation hit 16.2% in October – cost of fo... by 00ajcr on Sunday November 20, 2022 @01:24PM (#33683658)
Less ambitious than where?

I don't think UK people are inheritantly less ambitious than anywhere else, but the very low social mobility here has always dragged down potential for some, while the punishing austerity and lack of investment over the past decade has limited other people's opportunities further.