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Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by roenxi on Saturday November 19, 2022 @11:21PM (#33678207)
This article commits a grievous offence - it doesn't define "nice people". I suspect from context it is a tautology - nice people are the people who are uncomfortable with power struggles. There are lots of good people who are extremely comfortable with power struggles right from the get go.

There are no advantages to avoiding power. One of the big lessons in politics is people will sometimes roll in and mess up your life and it never mattered how much of a threat you were. Avoiding power struggles doesn't let people avoid the consequences. Similarly, avoiding struggles is also bad. If you can't resist someone taking your power, then you don't have any. It is nuanced and it is important to be selective in which battles to fight but there will always be some.

If you do want to be a bystander, you still have a responsibility to make sure that power goes to people with a grow-the-pie mindset and not people who only understand wealth destruction or wealth transfer. If wealth-destroyers gain power, you won't be spared.

Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by thwayunion on Saturday November 19, 2022 @11:27PM (#33678243)
There are also bad people who are uncomfortable with power struggles.

But in the context of the article, I suspect that the most important definition of "nice" is probably "pays me for executive coaching".

The term isn't defined because "I am nice" is an axiom, "I can do what I need to get what I want" is the desired conclusion, and the article provides some motivated reasoning for getting from A to B.

Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by bjornsing on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:12AM (#33678499)
What you’re describing is essentially power as a means to an end (e.g. value creation). There’s nothing wrong with that in my book.

But the OP (or McClelland who is cited in the OP) is more about power as an end in itself. That’s something very different, and IMHO very detrimental.

Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by throwaway742 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:15AM (#33678514)
What if I don't have any wealth?
Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by roenxi on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:34AM (#33678617)
If they get out of control? Traditionally, starvation. Possibly civil unrest. Some combination of the two.

Sri Lanka banned fertiliser the other month, in a tea-snorted-through-the-nose decision. Bad time to be poor in Sri Lanka. If sane people don't try to keep control, that is the sort of decision making that happens.

Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by H8crilA on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:11AM (#33678989)
Surely at least you have your life - look at the Russians being sent to the meat grinder without having a say in it, because they let things rot over a few decades. And it keeps getting worse, the Z-propaganda in schools indoctrinating the future soldiers there is terrifying...

IDK why people find it hard to imagine something worse than losing your savings, seems pretty easy and history is ripe with examples.

Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by throwaway742 on Monday November 21, 2022 @12:35AM (#33689181)
IDK why it's so hard to imagine people with nothing to lose.
Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by dollo_7 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @05:35AM (#33679868)
I believe the article is oriented to those who feel like the "nice guy" the author is describing, which is my case, and expects you to act on how you feel to his words. I feel myself very reflected on the profile seeking for high affiliation, low power, and high emotional control; however, I am not sure to what extent should it only focus to a work environment.

Over the time, I have found myself more willing to fight over my "slice" of power in the workplace, making my demands assertively and showing that I know my value without traces of regret or false humility. That is something I have had to work on a lot, it makes me uncomfortable; but I understand that I "deserve" some power. If I am doing things right I cam claim my state for influence and being heard. I think this aligns with your point on being responsible with yourself and not just being a bystander.

On the other hand, there are other spheres in which I do not expect such power beforehand, so I'm not usually ready to draw my weapons. This may be a social encounter with barely-known people, friends, or even family. There are power fights there too, but somehow they feel different. Maybe I'm not as convinced of how I deserved such power, or maybe I'm not willing to do the effort anymore and I just want to fulfill my affiliation urge.

Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by TheOtherHobbes on Sunday November 20, 2022 @06:35AM (#33680135)
You've highlighted the problem - which is that management culture selects for ruthlessness and sociopathy, not for creative and organisational talent.

Occasionally you get someone with real creativity, but mostly you just get assholes. And they are ultimately responsible for the mediocrity of most organisations. They make noisy but poor decisions for personal reasons, and resist any change that inconveniences their personal ambitions and self-image.

I've been reading a history of Commodore, and at one point Jack Tramiel effectively destroys the brand by refusing to do a deal with a national computer distributor. He threw away the chance to compete with Apple and IBM because he refused to go into a partnership that threatened his aggressive one-up narcissism.

It's a persistent pattern. The story of Tramiel's companies is one of perma-drama, with constant swings between boom and bust. He was good at growing the pie up to a point, but not good at sharing to make the pie even bigger.

Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by CPLX on Sunday November 20, 2022 @08:16AM (#33680670)
I think he defines nice very succinctly. He means people who let their desire to be liked, which he calls affinity, overrule their desire to wield power.

It’s a pretty straightforward values distinction.

When confronted with a situation where you have to choose, do you choose the exercise of power over being liked, or do you choose being liked over exercising power? In his formulation nice people tend to choose the latter.

Re:Power Struggles Among Nice People by jhoechtl on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:45PM (#33683220)
I was about to fully agree whith what you say until I reached

> If you do want to be a bystander, you still have a responsibility to make sure that power goes to people with a grow-the-pie mindset...

If wealth always goes upwards, one fine day people will reach for their pitchforks and those who are on the other side of the wealth destructors will loose everything.

It's an equilibrium we should aim at, neither wealth destruction nor up flow to the already powerful