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Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by layer8 on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:34PM (#33676171)
That’s quite condescending.
Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by whatwherewhy on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:42PM (#33676262)
I don't think so. I recognized the person admitted it to themselves and even others and learned from their mistakes. What they did was bad, there's no going around that. Now they should try to make it right - donating money to people trying to fix the situation is a good way to do that.
Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by jjulius on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:54PM (#33676373)
>Now they should try to make it right - donating money to people trying to fix the situation is a good way to do that.

You're assuming that this individual hasn't already done something to atone (which goes against HN's rule to assume best intentions). That, coupled with a tone that comes off as though you know better than this person, basically round out the definition of "condescending".

Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by whatwherewhy on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:56PM (#33676384)
I am not assuming anything. I made a suggestion, nothing else. They're free to do nothing if they feel like they already did enough. You're assuming I'm assuming <...>, which goes against the HN rule to assume best intentions.
Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by layer8 on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:52PM (#33676347)
condescending: having or showing an attitude of patronizing superiority.
Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by whatwherewhy on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:53PM (#33676364)
I don't see anything patronizing or showing superiority in what I wrote. I am saying this as a peer, not as a superior.

It's kinda weird to expect people not to make mistakes such as this if nobody tells them it's wrong. And it's normal for people to tell other people they do bad stuff if they do.

Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by jjulius on Saturday November 19, 2022 @07:05PM (#33676479)
>I don't see anything patronizing or showing superiority in what I wrote. I am saying this as a peer, not as a superior.

And you have four different peers who have responded to you suggesting that you are being condescending. Take a step back and ask why - intention and tone are two different things, and if you get the latter wrong then we will misunderstand the former.

>It's kinda weird to expect people not to make mistakes such as this if nobody tells them it's wrong. And it's normal for people to tell other people they do bad stuff if they do.

Just let 'em be. You're not a hero. They admitted what they did, and why they know it's wrong. You're not doing anything other than going, "Yep, you sure did fuck up."

Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by whatwherewhy on Saturday November 19, 2022 @07:08PM (#33676517)
> Take a step back and ask why - intention and tone are two different things, and if you get the latter wrong then we will misunderstand the former.

Good point, OK.

Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by layer8 on Saturday November 19, 2022 @07:03PM (#33676448)
So you’re assuming that you know better than them what they’ve done wrong, that you have to tell them, and how they should make up for it. That’s how your tone is coming across.
Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by whatwherewhy on Saturday November 19, 2022 @07:05PM (#33676470)
> you know better than them what they’ve done wrong

Hardly, since I just agreed with what they said. I suggested what IMHO is a good way to make up for it. Nothing else.

> that you have to tell them

Sure, I have to. I think everyone should say something in cases like this.

Re:Ask HN: What is the thing you've build you regret the most? by SoftTalker on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:56PM (#33676379)
Donating money rarely fixes problems. What it does is create organizations that draw their lifeblood from the continued existence of the problem, and continued donations of money.