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Re:Things I've noticed while visiting the ICU by opportune on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:54PM (#33666761)
Completely agree. Any educated layperson can figure out and follow a clinical decision tree. I mean it can work in your favor if you know you need something and know how to get the decision tree to give you what you want, but otherwise clinicians should definitely be actual experts and not just meat following something a computer could do
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Re:Things I've noticed while visiting the ICU by rscho on Saturday November 19, 2022 @03:32AM (#33668271)
> Any educated layperson can figure out and follow a clinical decision tree.

12-15h a day, 6 days a week with not even a lunch break? You're sorely mistaken. It takes an expert to follow clinical workflows.

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Re:Things I've noticed while visiting the ICU by dimal on Saturday November 19, 2022 @11:22AM (#33671500)
Are all doctors working these hours? I thought these were the hours for residency, not the average general practitioner or specialist working outside of a hospital. If they’re working 15 hours a day, why are they only open 8?
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Re:Things I've noticed while visiting the ICU by opportune on Sunday November 20, 2022 @05:40PM (#33686275)
What I meant is that I can follow it for myself, not do it for others. I don't have the training to know every medical decision tree by heart, but I can look up ones for problems I have and apply them.

I am a bit biased because I have several medical professionals in my family, but a common refrain is definitely that most doctors/nurses aren't going to be that engaged and helpful, and are more of a input/output device to navigate rather than someone you want to completely defer to.

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Re:Things I've noticed while visiting the ICU by incone123 on Saturday November 19, 2022 @05:25AM (#33668897)
You still have the problem of writing a sufficiently detailed tree. I had a blood test last year and when I discussed the result with the doc, he asked me the clinic location where the blood was taken, because then he could estimate time between blood draw and lab test and interpret the result accordingly.
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Re:Things I've noticed while visiting the ICU by Aeolun on Saturday November 19, 2022 @07:56AM (#33669675)
It’s your blood usually tested immediately? At least my hospital gives me results right away (well, say within 30 minutes).
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Re:Things I've noticed while visiting the ICU by lostlogin on Saturday November 19, 2022 @08:53AM (#33670044)
It might be different where you live, but where I am, the vast majority of blood tests are not done at the hospital. Family doctors and lab test centres do it.
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Re:Things I've noticed while visiting the ICU by incone123 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @03:18AM (#33679274)
I think you just made my point about a sufficiently detailed tree.

GP orders test. I go to a test center to get the blood drawn. They have couriers taking samples to labs a few times per day.

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