Re:Crypto dominoes fall in the wake of FTX's collapse
by xorcist on Thursday November 17, 2022 @10:58AM
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Which market? I own some bonds that yields 8%.
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Re:Crypto dominoes fall in the wake of FTX's collapse
by chollida1 on Thursday November 17, 2022 @11:03AM
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Yield to maturity is far different that yearly yield.
though it is possible to find some bonds that have an annual yield of 8%. Though no one would expect them all to make it maturity without any credit issues.
Re:Crypto dominoes fall in the wake of FTX's collapse
by bombcar on Thursday November 17, 2022 @11:14AM
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You can find a very few. But they are limited in some way, and almost always government-funded.
https://treasurydirect.gov/savings-bonds/i-bonds/i-bonds-int...
iBonds hit above 8% return in a year if you bought at just the right time this year, IIRC.
Of course, if you calculate real return then you will have a sad.
Re:Crypto dominoes fall in the wake of FTX's collapse
by arcticfox on Thursday November 17, 2022 @12:39PM
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There’s also a very real counterparty risk in bonds that need to give 8%.
Inflation bonds are kind of an exception there, since if inflation is 8% the market should be doing much better than that on average.
Re:Crypto dominoes fall in the wake of FTX's collapse
by NotYourLawyer on Thursday November 17, 2022 @11:08AM
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Are they Venezuela or Zimbabwe?
Re:Crypto dominoes fall in the wake of FTX's collapse
by mrDmrTmrJ on Thursday November 17, 2022 @11:38AM
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US federal funds rate hit 19.39 percent in April 1980. As a result long-term state bond did very well for their owners as inflation came down. My mom told stories about "Massachusetts Nines" with legendary 9% yields.
Utilities and co-ops issued ~15% paper which also did extremely well for those who purchased it in the early 80s.
Re:Crypto dominoes fall in the wake of FTX's collapse
by NotYourLawyer on Thursday November 17, 2022 @12:18PM
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Sure, back then. But I’m guessing these are not 50+ year maturities still paying out.
Re:Crypto dominoes fall in the wake of FTX's collapse
by everybodyknows on Thursday November 17, 2022 @01:01PM
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Know offhand what the 30-year yielded back in '80?
For reference, the 30 is now at about 100bp less than shorter treasuries: