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Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by hnthrowaway0315 on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:41PM (#33602401)
Just curious. For a similar bit shorter travel across Canada from east to west during summer, is there any recommended commercial bike? (commercial bike means can buy in Costco/Canadian Tire/individual bike shops and not too expensive, say under 3000 CAD)
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by newsclues on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:50PM (#33602497)
a touring bike is what you want, lots of brands make them, find a local shop and try a few to see what you like.
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by calt on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:51PM (#33602508)
The Surly Long Haul Trucker is a favorite base bike.

Getting the bags and racks etc won't be included. A good local bike shop would be my bet.

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by hnthrowaway0315 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @11:15AM (#33611074)
Thanks, I'll check local shops. They are probably more familiar with the road and equipment needed.
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by wiredfool on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:53PM (#33602540)
The Surly he was riding isn’t a bad choice. They’re pretty stout, and have all the necessary braze ons for racks and fenders. You’re going to need panniers and/or frame bags, though current style is to put a bit more weight on the front than he seemed to have.
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by gnfurlong on Monday November 14, 2022 @06:18PM (#33602814)
Most of the popular touring bikes fit your budget. Really you're just looking for durable, a wide gear range and the capacity to mount gear. Surly disc trucker has historically been one of the most popular as an example, but there are a lot of others.

Also, it can absolutely be done with cheaper. My partner and I finished a 4800 mile trip last year. I used a second hand cyclocross bike that I got off craiglist for ~500 a few years ago. She had a road bike that she bought for 200 from the local bike project.

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by hnthrowaway0315 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @07:03AM (#33608118)
Thanks a lot. Touring bike then. I'll probably consult some bike shop owner to give opinions. BTW how did you train for the long ride? Did you go from say 100 and then inter-city?
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by ilyt on Monday November 14, 2022 @06:48PM (#33603133)
Literally anything that's not build out of bargain bin parts will do fine. And better one will not necessarily prevent that many failures, over some point it's mostly incremental improvements in experience quality, not reliability.

I had 3 bikes, 2 of them did around 10k, 3rd one, well, I bought it at start of pandemic, then we moved WfH so it did much less.

Around 20% was riding around local forests, rest in city.

The first bike was literally like $300 (...probably closer to $400 now with inflation and all). I only replaced the saddle for more comfortable one but that's all. No disc brakes, literally the fanciest thing on it was that it had shocks on front.

But after finding job in big city and moving there I was using it for commute every day so after few years I decided "well, might as well buy something nice", bought one for I think like $2000, nice disc brakes, rear shock, lighter, "good" etc.

Comparing those two I went from mechanical rim brakes to hydraulic disk brakes and they did feel nicer, but in the end the rim brakes stopping power was just fine, it didn't feel as that much of an upgrade. Sure, a bit lighter to use but I could still yeet myself thru the front tire on rim brakes (probably). And rear wheel disc brake was entirely a waste, there is way less braking force needed on rear to lock up wheel.

In general I liked it but managed to break the frame (I was on max range of weight for that bike which probably didn't help), and decided to get something slighty cheaper, no rear shock (not much use for what I drive), cheaper accessories etc. (think it was about $1000). After a bit of riding turned out that only thing I missed was that tiny screw to adjust preload on brakes as the pads wear out. Drove few K so far, think some bearing in pedal broke (it's a bit wobbly), but not annoying enough yet for me to fix it.

In every case I had to replace sprockets as they use, replace the saddle for more comfortable one and install some accessory bits, replace the handlebars for one that fit me better and few smaller bit. But even the cheapo was reliable enough.

Generally the thing worth investing most is frame (as that will not change) and derailleur, as that will generally stay, brakes depending on riding (as I said, people driving hard off hills will probably have different needs than me driving some random forest dirt roads). Everything else you probably want to fit to your needs and you want to drive the bike for a bit to know exactly what you want.

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by jamiek88 on Monday November 14, 2022 @07:40PM (#33603597)
I e never heard anyone use the phrase ‘drive a bike’ before, always ‘ride a bike’, you use drive several times - is this a regional thing I’ve not come across before?
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by whatofolloww on Monday November 14, 2022 @07:50PM (#33603681)
It may sound odd because "biker" colloquially refers to a motorcyclist, but not many people would call a motorcycle a "bike" in day-to-day conversation.

Maybe "driving a bike" will get more popular as electric velocipedes continue to blur those lines.

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by ilyt on Monday November 14, 2022 @07:57PM (#33603761)
Nope, I hust don't talk about bicycles in english all that often (well, basically never).

I also find the word "bike" annoying, as it seems to mean both bicycle and motorbike, while in my native language there are entirely separate words with no common root (but funnily enough colloquial term for motorbike is same as "engine")

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by skhr0680 on Monday November 14, 2022 @08:33PM (#33604123)
What language is that? In Japanese "bike" specifically refers to motorcycles, and 50cc scooters are called "engines" :-)
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by ilyt on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @03:14AM (#33606612)
Polish. Bike is "Motor" (engine) or "motocykl", bicycle is "rower", scooter is also basically "skuter" but it is just about the form factor, not the engine

Also 50cc ones are called "engine bicycles" although that name isn't really used that often.

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by zwieback on Monday November 14, 2022 @06:59PM (#33603237)
I have a Kona Sutra, really like it. I see a lot of Surly, like the one in the post, they seem to have a good track record.
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by walrus01 on Monday November 14, 2022 @07:39PM (#33603587)
oh my god I just cringed incredibly hard at the thought of trying a 6000 km tour on a canadian tire bike. The budget of 3000 CAD for the bike itself before accessories is a possibility, but I advise you to get information from specialty bike shops that focus on road bikes, and ask them about good touring bikes.

for the americans: a bike sold at canadian tire is often a $195 "bicycle shaped object" similar to what you'd see for sale at walmart.

some useful info on touring bike frames and components:

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/how-to-choose-a-bike...

https://www.cyclingabout.com/best-touring-bikes-you-can-buy-...

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by peterispedaling on Monday November 14, 2022 @07:50PM (#33603680)
Hi! I wrote the post. Good answers below. Decent generic mountain bikes with disc brakes are found all over South America, being pedaled by casual riders and kids in the town squares. Starting a tour with that equipment and adding racks and such would be affordable, and parts will be replaceable. Surly/Soma/Kona/Salsa/Fuji/Etc. touring bikes come with the main advantage of mounting points. But more DIY riders are rigging things up with hose clamps.
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by atdrummond on Monday November 14, 2022 @07:50PM (#33603695)
I would suggest finding a touring bike from somebody who has maintained it well; there are many reputable forums and sites for these secondhand sales. You’ll get a considerable discount and have a better chance to ensure it has all the features you want.

I would then immediately ensure everything works to your satisfaction, using this post-purchase assessment to not only bring the bike to the state it needs to be but to inform yourself on how your bike is put together, so that you can more easily repair her whilst on your trip.

I myself was able to pick up an incredible secondhand race bike built by a Japanese man who constructed such bikes for both the JP and US Olympic teams. Not only did I only spend a few hundred on it but I also was able to meet the man who built it and learn so much more about bikes and sprinting on them successfully than I had prior to the purchase.

TL;DR: Go secondhand, you’ll get a better bike and you’ll find people in the community who will help you become a better and more knowledgeable biker.

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by mauvehaus on Monday November 14, 2022 @07:52PM (#33603708)
Touring bikes are weird animals, and are built to a wholly different set of requirements than other bikes.

Classic choices are the Trek 520, the Surly Long Haul Trucker, and the Kona Sutra. REI has consistently impressed me with their offerings as well.

For the most part, frames get built with a carefully selected set of parts that balances reliability, repairability, and availability. Weight is really only a consideration for the wheels, and it's pretty far down the priority list even there.

Over 5000mi/8000km, everything is consumable, except hopefully the frame and associated components. I didn't blow up a hub over 7000 miles of touring, but I replaced chains, the cassette, the chainring that got the most wear, a couple of spokes, a rim, a saddle, and maybe a few other things. Oh, and several tires.

Mom and pop bike shop availability is clutch when you're miles from even a bigger town. A touring bike is not the bike to have the latest group set on, nonstandard spokes, or anything that you can't fix, replace, or make a workable substitution for in the boonies. AIUI, if you're touring internationally, you really want 559mm rims; 622mm is much less common outside of North America and Europe and finding tires can be a big problem.

You'll often find that frames get built up with an absolute hodgepodge of components that only makes sense if you consider all of the above, plus the fact that gearing runs more on the mountain bike end of the spectrum.

Components tend to run a generation or two behind bleeding edge, and manufacturers mix and match freely between road and mountain stuff as appropriate to get what they're looking for for durability and ergonomics. A good touring bike usually has mid-range components. Good enough to stay adjusted, beefy enough to hold up to a lot of miles with less maintenance than might be ideal.

All that to say, I haven't answered your question per-se, but I hope this helps you understand for yourself whether and answer put forward by a salesperson is a good one.

Most bike shops aren't making most of their money selling touring bikes. You run a very real chance of dealing with salespeople who are totally out of their depth when you shop for a touring bike. The ones that are both good and also honest will admit as much.

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by loeg on Monday November 14, 2022 @07:56PM (#33603748)
> Over 5000mi/8000km, everything is consumable, except hopefully the frame and associated components

That may be touring-specific? I have tons of components on my regular bikes that last well over 5000 miles, including spokes/rims/wheels and saddles (derailleurs, shifters, pedals, cranks). Many tires even last 5000 miles, although not the lightweight racy ones I use.

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by hinkley on Monday November 14, 2022 @08:29PM (#33604082)
I had two friends who did about 1/3rd this distance at about the same pace. In an era before folding beads, if memory serves I think they changed their tires out before day one, carried lots of spare inner tubes, but ended up carrying spare tires figure-eighted long before they hit the Continental Divide. The roads in our county were exceptionally good. That alone made our organized events pretty popular, but the organizers were also really good at what they do.

Going across the country you're gonna be hitting way more counties and states than you would even as someone who travels for cycling events. More importantly you're also not on a curated ride. Our club was top twenty and people agonized over the relative safety of certain back roads. Pavement quality, debris, traffic, blindspots, pets. Sometimes they got it right, sometimes wrong. It was an iterative process and some segments were only ever tried once (or twice if people forgot why we said no before).

On a cross country trip you don't have locals curating for you, so it's going to be more wear and tear.

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by Arainach on Monday November 14, 2022 @08:46PM (#33604205)
In America, there are curated maps and routes by groups like the Adventure Cycling Association. Sure, there won't be members living along your whole route sweeping shoulders clean of debris, but they do a lot of work of trying to find routes that are as safe as can be, have good overnight stops, etc.
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by eCa on Monday November 14, 2022 @08:10PM (#33603897)
When doing long tours you want to replace stuff before they break. For instance, I did several tours between 3000 and 5000 kms. I might have gotten away with not replacing the drive train between tours, but spending that extra cash (especially when on the more budget friendly end, like me) is money well invested.

Also, with heavy load (bike+luggage for me was usually in the 35-40 kg range) and more riding in rain than I would do when not on tour, leads to increased wear.

My worst failure was a cracked rim on a rear wheel that I should have replaced before the tour. It had started to wear down due to bad breaks. It was still rideable for another 100k to the nearest bikeshop (this was in southern Spain).

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by spyda on Monday November 14, 2022 @08:11PM (#33603909)
The added weight of a touring kit is a big factor.
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by plorkyeran on Monday November 14, 2022 @09:02PM (#33604337)
> Over 5000mi/8000km, everything is consumable, except hopefully the frame and associated components. I didn't blow up a hub over 7000 miles of touring, but I replaced chains, the cassette, the chainring that got the most wear, a couple of spokes, a rim, a saddle, and maybe a few other things. Oh, and several tires.

That seems... unusual? I'm at 11,000 miles on my current road bike and I've replaced less than that even though I'm using components designed for weight, not durability. I'm on my fourth chain, third cassette, second rear tire (although both tires need replacement soon), and other than those the only things I've replaced are brake pads. Hauling a heavier load obviously increases wear and tear, but I wouldn't expect it to be that much.

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by dghlsakjg on Monday November 14, 2022 @10:04PM (#33604735)
Canadian Tire and Costco are two places you should absolutely avoid. If you aren't experienced with bikes their bikes look fine on paper for the price. In reality, you will spend lots of time and money to get them to perform properly, and will still have a bike that is likely untrustable.

Go to an independent bike shop and explain what you want to do and your budget. They will be able to kit you out appropriately. For Canadian made bikes, my wife has a Devinci which, so far, has been great for rugged urban use with panniers and racks. I suspect that it would hold up great to touring travel.

It should be totally possible to buy and outfit a bike for $3k CAD

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by olakease on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @02:04AM (#33606159)
I have traveled from Spain till Iceland in a 300 euros bike. In my opinion, the bike is not that important if you do not carry too much weight, visit countries were certain spare parts are not available and finding someone that can weld aluminium is not impossible. Just avoid rear suspension. Do not put too much weight since this puts too much presion on the spokes.

Instead spend the money in: good tyres (schwalwe, continental), paniers (ortlieb) and racks (tubus) and saddle (brooks) since this are the components that wear out really fast.

Gas stove does not work well in moderate cold climate. I discovered this the hard way. If the temp. Is gonna be about 0C buy a petrol stove. You can save a lot of money being pragmatic. I.e chopsticks are lighter than titanium fork.

If you travel alone buy a camping tent for two. You will need extra real state for your stuff.

Enjoy the adventure!

Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by hnthrowaway0315 on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @10:48AM (#33610630)
Thanks! I'll probably try intercity first and see what happens. Maybe there is a way for me to connect the dots without a tent.
Re:Logistics of biking 9833 miles in 409 days by wiredfool on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @07:53AM (#33608536)
This just popped up today: https://theradavist.com/cycling-africa/ Connecting Two Distant Corners: Cycling the Length of Africa. The two bikes -- a Knoa Sutra and a Surly Long Haul Trucker.