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Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by DoingIsLearning on Monday November 14, 2022 @09:36AM (#33594485)
https://climatetrace.org/map

Saved you a click.

Looking at Europe it is absolutely bewildering how DRAX stands out like a sore thumb. Absolutely criminal that that thing hasn't been shut down yet. Even more criminal that they get away with receiving 'green' funding.

Also we in the EU should make a particularly large effort in funding the replacement of Coal plants in Poland. Insane how much they disproportionately contribute to emissions.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by ginko on Monday November 14, 2022 @09:41AM (#33594575)
>This tool is not available in mobile version, please switch to desktop.

..despite opening this on my desktop. I guess my browser window is taller than it is wide, but that doesn't make it a mobile browser.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by parski on Monday November 14, 2022 @09:49AM (#33594714)
We should be doing everything in our power to close Drax, Polish coal plants and Norwegian oil fields in the North Sea. Instead we're subsidizing fossil fuels and filling up Putin's warchest along with our filthy cars. [0]

[0]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-022-01122-6

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by TheLoafOfBread on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:19PM (#33597427)
Poles want to build nuclear power plants instead, Germans want to sue them for it. Really, you can't make this up.

https://rmx.news/poland/german-minister-threatens-to-use-leg...

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by capableweb on Monday November 14, 2022 @10:23AM (#33595282)
Off-topic but does anyone have any guess to what map projection they are using?
Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by RugnirViking on Monday November 14, 2022 @10:26AM (#33595343)
looks like gall-peters to my eye
Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by capableweb on Monday November 14, 2022 @10:27AM (#33595358)
> DRAX stands out like a sore thumb

I'm guessing you're referring to "Drax Power Station" in the UK that ranks #52?

Having no prior knowledge of "Drax Group" it seems to be this group:

> Drax Group PLC is a power generation business. The principal downstream enterprises are based in the UK and include Drax Power Limited, which runs a biomass and coal fueled power station, Drax power station, near Selby in North Yorkshire. The Group also runs an international biomass supply chain business.

22.10 MT from that power station doesn't seem to even come close to some of the oil and gas fields in the US. Maybe it's actually pretty green compared to what it could have been? I have no idea, so happy to be corrected.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by DoingIsLearning on Monday November 14, 2022 @10:39AM (#33595567)
> oil and gas fields in the US

Somewhat apples and pears comparison, Drax is burning wood pelets shipped from Canada to the UK (CO2 emissions). Oil/Gas Fields in the US emit Methane (CH4 emissions) which has 28x times more 'warming potential' than CO2 emissions.

But I agree that Oil/Gas methane leaks are a much bigger problem than what the media reports.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by sschueller on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:52PM (#33598047)
Wasn't Drax Industries a bond vilan's company? What a fitting name.
Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by rascul on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:07PM (#33599202)
Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by dimitrios1 on Monday November 14, 2022 @10:33AM (#33595451)
> Even more criminal that they get away with receiving 'green' funding.

It may sound counterintuitive, but corporations like DRAX are exactly who need this funding, because without it, they would continue to not give a shit and just pay greenwashing lip service to these issues. If you give them the money specifically for that, then you are at least increasing the odds there is positive change from the places that need to change the most. (i.e the largest polluters).

Everything is about incentives. If you create this big prize of 100s of millions of dollars to receive, with the caveat that you have to show effort in going green, then you've created an incentive that wasn't there previously for the positive change you hope to see.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by williamdclt on Monday November 14, 2022 @10:39AM (#33595565)
You're not incorrect but it doesn't feel very good to incentivize "bad actors" (tempted to say "assholes") with a carrot. Especially a carrot paid by the victims of the actor. Most people would probably rather see the stick being used
Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by DoingIsLearning on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:26PM (#33597535)
He actually is incorrect.

The reality companies like Drax should be insolvent and the staff retrained for another industry.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by TheLoafOfBread on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:15PM (#33597360)
We already got rid of Russian gas and nukes. Can't get rid of coal in nearest future, simply because energy prices would go bananas and then energy grid would fold.
Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by DoingIsLearning on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:24PM (#33597510)
I didn't say we should get rid of coal, now.

What I don't see is any medium long term plan to roll out Renewable storage or Nuclear supplementation.

So there is no serious EU Energy policy at the moment that allows us to get rid of hydrocarbons for energy production... in any timeline in the foreseable future.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by TheLoafOfBread on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:37PM (#33597748)
And there won't be any reasonable energy policy ever, because EU boxed itself into a corner. There is almost religious refusal of nuclear power plants from some members and unfortunately renewables are not cutting it during winter. So we will be running coal power plants until 2050-2075
Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by ZeroGravitas on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:59PM (#33599082)
https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/eu/

The EU has a plan, and they stepped it up a little with RePowerEU in response to Putin's invasion giving them a bit more political leeway.

It won't please people who had their opinions on renewables mysteriously frozen 15 years ago, but for most people it's not bad. World leading in fact, but in a world that's generally not doing very well.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by Angostura on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:29PM (#33597585)
So virtually all of Drax's output is from compressed wood pellets that it says are sustainably sourced - not from fossil fuels.

What's your issue with it?

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by feet on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:30PM (#33597620)
Carbon emissions are carbon emissions irrespective of the source
Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by Tagbert on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:55PM (#33598049)
not if the source is carbon neutral/negative. Trees grown on a tree farm and converted to wood pellets where the tree farm is replanted to regrow trees for harvesting is not really a net contributor to increase CO2. The CO2 is pulled from the air by the trees and reemitted during burning and then reabsorbed by another generation of trees.

Now, there are certainly other energy costs of harvesting, processing and transport that come into play and shipping from CA to UK might tilt the balance away from green more than locally grown trees would. It is still likely much less of a greenhouse peril than burning coal.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by DoingIsLearning on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:06PM (#33598229)
I mean the fact that Drax is not solvent without UK government funds and the fact they have to import wood pellets from Canada/US should give you a pretty good idea that none of this is sustainable or carbon neutral.

I would much rather see those funds allocated to actual renewable sources instead of wasting time/money with wood furnaces and arguing if they are sustainable/renewable.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by Tagbert on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:58PM (#33599055)
If those funds can get the company to close coal production and use wood pellets instead that is certainly a big step forward.
Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by DoingIsLearning on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:49PM (#33599893)
Because combustion and processing efficiencies for wood are less than coal, the immediate impact of substituting wood for coal is an increase in atmospheric CO2 relative to coal. The payback time for this carbon debt ranges from 44–104 years after clearcut, depending on forest type—assuming the land remains forest. Surprisingly, replanting hardwood forests with fast-growing pine plantations raises the CO2 impact of wood because the equilibrium carbon density of plantations is lower than natural forests. Further, projected growth in wood harvest for bioenergy would increase atmospheric CO2 for at least a century because new carbon debt continuously exceeds NPP. Assuming biofuels are carbon neutral may worsen irreversible impacts of climate change before benefits accrue. [0]

i.e. it was always about the money...

[0] DOI 10.1088/1748-9326/aaa512

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by Angostura on Monday November 14, 2022 @06:20PM (#33602841)
> I mean the fact that Drax is not solvent without UK government funds and the fact they have to import wood pellets from Canada/US should give you a pretty good idea that none of this is sustainable or carbon neutral.

I doesn't indicate that at all. "Sustainable" from a business point of view and "Sustainable" from a carbon production point of view are two entirely different things.

Re:A new website backed by Al Gore tracks big polluters by name by ShroudedNight on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:59PM (#33602599)
There appears to be mounting evidence that Drax is sourcing wood from primary / old-growth forest to burn.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63089348

Additionally, my mostly-ignorant intuitive sense is that the wood ecosystem in US + Canada is an important maintainer of local wealth and literally sucking all the fuel out of it to burn on another continent is harmful to Canadians' well-being.