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Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by tux on Saturday November 12, 2022 @04:38PM (#33577374)
"They do not hire disagreeable people."

And this is why skilled people can't find a job. Unless you can kiss a*s you won't get hired. This is wrong! If some one agrees with every word you say, this should be a red light. This might means the person don't have a mind of there own. Unless you want to hire a robot ^_^

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by gw98 on Saturday November 12, 2022 @04:53PM (#33577491)
I dunno I'm an asshole and I'm having to beat people off with a stick at the moment. However in UK and there is a market vacuum.

Anyway you don't have to kiss ass. All you have to do is have a solution to problems and ability to shape ideas not just cut them off. Unless it's nodejs. That can just fuck off.

When I hire people myself I'm looking for people who are opinionated but can back that up with experience and evidence and thought processes which show how the conclusion was reached. I really don't want to hire passive production monkeys.

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by popotamonga on Saturday November 12, 2022 @04:57PM (#33577530)
It works, the following words made me rich:

- Great idea

- Makes total sense

- That's how I would do it

- I agree

And this is not a joke.

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by gardenhedge on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:29PM (#33578299)
Well a team has to come together around a shared goal. If a team is made up of people who disagree with what the team is trying to do... it's not a team
Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by jasonjmcghee on Sunday November 13, 2022 @12:58AM (#33580490)
I think people often share common goals, but “how” is where disagreement tends to be. And I think that’s healthy. Some friction in decision making will often yield better decisions.
Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by simplotek on Sunday November 13, 2022 @04:03AM (#33581340)
> Some friction in decision making will often yield better decisions.

I agree. The problem starts when this sort of friction continues after all the decision-making is done and starts manifesting as contrarian positions towards how the project is being conducted, always insisting that their idea was better, and even assuming aspects of sabotage.

It's one thing to determine a path forward, but an entirely different thing to assume a "my way or no way" stance.

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by icedchai on Saturday November 12, 2022 @07:14PM (#33578603)
Even if I don't agree 100%, I'll find myself saying these things. Especially in today's world of pointless Zoom meetings, endless "check-ins", it's often not worth arguing. Rarely is anything mission critical. (If it's a "big deal", I will disagree.)
Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by ransom1538 on Saturday November 12, 2022 @10:12PM (#33579595)
them: "We should switch to rebase! I read this blog!"

me: "ok."

(even though this will cost hundreds of productivity hours - explaining it to new devs and wondering why all your history disappeared again, sigh you shouldn't rebase on a public branch! , gah fuck it)

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by Aeolun on Sunday November 13, 2022 @02:43AM (#33580927)
Is this a hill I’m willing to die on?… again?…

Yeah, sure, sounds like a great idea.

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by simplotek on Sunday November 13, 2022 @04:09AM (#33581366)
I worked on projects where rebase was the norm, even for public feature branches.

Not a problem.

Rebase is a tradeoff of handling merge conflicts with achieving a commit history that is far cleaner and audit-friendly.

The point being that some technical choices are not black and white, and people mistake baseless personal opinions with technical truths. There's an awful lot of workable grey areas with tradeoffs.

If a team member insists on pushing his personal opinions as the truth, challenges and opposes each and every proposal that does not match his personal opinion, and drags on personal vendettas in decisions that didn't went their way... I'd say that no matter where their tech skills are, that person is still incompetent and a liability in any team.

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by simplotek on Saturday November 12, 2022 @05:19PM (#33577727)
>>And this is why skilled people can't find a job. Unless you can kiss a*s you won't get hired.

You're trying too hard to rationalize away personal problems and your inability and/or unwillingness to address them.

The opposite of disagreeable is not "kissing ass". The opposite of disagreeable, to start off, is not being a total asshole. No one's technical prowess is impressive enough to ignore the fact that they are completely insufferable. A project survives extra weeks or even months, but a team does not survive an eggeegious team member who makes everyone around them miserable.

Take a long hard look at yourself before throwing blanket accusations at anyone and everyone around you.

As the saying goes, "if someone is an asshole, they're an asshole, if everyone is an asshole, you're the asshole"

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by danaris on Saturday November 12, 2022 @05:32PM (#33577838)
"I do not hold all the exact same beliefs as you" is not at all the same thing as "I am a disagreeable person."

"I will say yes to absolutely everything you say" is not at all the same thing as "I will do a good job."

There are absolutely far too many workplaces where you are expected to kiss ass to be hired or to progress.

Personally, I know that I would never feel OK working there, so I don't see the point of trying to pretend I'm an ass-kisser in interviews. I actually am an agreeable person, overall; I just want to find a place to work that will be OK working with me, not with some extremely different false face I have to spend a huge amount of energy putting on every day just to get paid there.

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by jsjsof on Sunday November 13, 2022 @02:28PM (#33586466)
What makes someone an asshole?
Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by tux on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:28AM (#33590787)
I'm happy it touched you so much :) It seems you have more problems than me my friend ^_^
Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by tux on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:53AM (#33590930)
>> You're trying too hard to rationalize away personal problems and your inability and/or unwillingness to address them.

I agree, that you are!

>> The opposite of disagreeable is not "kissing ass". The opposite of disagreeable, to start off, is not being a total asshole. No one's technical prowess is impressive enough to ignore the fact that they are completely insufferable. A project survives extra weeks or even months, but a team does not survive an eggeegious team member who makes everyone around them miserable.

Makes total sense. Great idea.

>> Take a long hard look at yourself before throwing blanket accusations at anyone and everyone around you.

That's how I would do it. You should try it.

>> As the saying goes, "if someone is an asshole, they're an asshole, if everyone is an asshole, you're the asshole"

Makes total sense.

@popotamonga, You were right it does work ^_^

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by tux on Monday November 21, 2022 @01:39PM (#33696177)
>> You're trying too hard to rationalize away personal problems and your inability and/or unwillingness to address them.

I think its you who are trying so hard to rationalize your own personal problems and/or unwillingness to address them. You may need to seek some professional help!

I'm not a kiss ass type and never will be no matter how well you trying to rationalize your thiking. Been a kiss ass is no different from been a slave to your boss or your workplace. If you prefer to kiss ass do so and don't try to impose your way of thinking on others.

Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by roflyear on Saturday November 12, 2022 @05:52PM (#33577979)
Every time I've hired someone like this they've made awful decisions. The same thing that makes them so agreeable, I think, makes them awful at making decisions.
Re:Anyone else struggling to get a Software dev job rn? by s3000 on Sunday November 13, 2022 @01:27AM (#33580608)
>>"They do not hire disagreeable people."

>And this is why skilled people can't find a job

Which is a good thing because it makes it affordable for startups to hire skilled people.