Re:‘Dark Ships’ Emerge from the Shadows of the Nord Stream M...
by narag on Saturday November 12, 2022 @01:17AM
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Is it doable with submarines? What would you do, torpedo the pipes?
Assuming you want to plant charges, I've seen mini-subs attached to bigger submarines, but it was a movie (Red October), so no idea if that's really a thing.
Otherwise, what do you do? Can divers be deployed from a submarine?
Re:‘Dark Ships’ Emerge from the Shadows of the Nord Stream M...
by xoxxala on Saturday November 12, 2022 @01:29AM
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There are subs specifically designed for these kind of special operations.
Re:‘Dark Ships’ Emerge from the Shadows of the Nord Stream M...
by MichaelCollins on Saturday November 12, 2022 @02:13AM
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Also the BS-136 Orenburg, among others. Both Russia and America definitely have the capability.
Re:‘Dark Ships’ Emerge from the Shadows of the Nord Stream M...
by narag on Saturday November 12, 2022 @03:15AM
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Thank you, also to morsch and Michael, this is very interesting. Brings me memories of the Seaview TV series.
Re:‘Dark Ships’ Emerge from the Shadows of the Nord Stream M...
by cwillu on Saturday November 12, 2022 @03:16AM
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The DSRV from the book and movie is real: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystic-class_deep-submergenc...
Re:‘Dark Ships’ Emerge from the Shadows of the Nord Stream M...
by RaiausderDose on Saturday November 12, 2022 @03:49AM
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http://www.hisutton.com/Belgorod-Class-Submarine.html
The guy makes these cutaway of the subs with MS Paint
http://www.hisutton.com/Spy%20Sub%20-%20Project%2010831%20Lo...
http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Intervention-Underwater-Dron...
Video about seabed-warfare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H_tFKT9EXU
these are Russian subs / AUVs , very cool stuff.
Re:‘Dark Ships’ Emerge from the Shadows of the Nord Stream M...
by narag on Saturday November 12, 2022 @05:04AM
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Wow, this stuff is fascinating. And the guy really has some Paint chops.
Re:‘Dark Ships’ Emerge from the Shadows of the Nord Stream M...
by masswerk on Saturday November 12, 2022 @05:06AM
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According to some experts it may have been done using mines and divers deployed from a sub. (The use of mines is apparently somewhat medieval in this context, as there are better methods for an experienced team.) Given the density of sensor networks in the area, you'd probably need a really quiet sub, something like the German Type 212 / 212A, including export models and license builds. I guess, the Russians have something similar. (Not an expert myself by any means.) So there is quite a number of candidates in the vicinity.
P.S.: With regard to these sensor networks, I guess, the "dark" surface vessels weren't big news for the military in the area.
Re:‘Dark Ships’ Emerge from the Shadows of the Nord Stream M...
by neftaly on Saturday November 12, 2022 @01:19AM
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A rusty tanker or cargo ship with a dozen mercs and a ROV is probably way cheaper and has plausible deniability compared to a navy submarine.
Re:‘Dark Ships’ Emerge from the Shadows of the Nord Stream M...
by lonelyasacloud on Saturday November 12, 2022 @04:58AM
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The destruction was a message; back off or your internet cables, gas and oil pipelines will be destroyed. Why put any more resources into the message than is necessary for propaganda purposes?
I don’t buy it.