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Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by bluedevil2k on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @05:47AM (#33529678)
The counterpoint to the items you listed as Europe doing better than the United States (better infrastructure is very debatable) is that Europe suffers from perpetual stagnant economic growth, extremely low tech worker pay, brain drain of the best talent leaving for the US and few revolutionary tech ideas. The American ideology can't be dismissed as simply benefitting a few CEOs when there's so so many Americans earning compensation well above what's possible for a European. Granted, it comes at the expense of the lower class in the US, but as you point out, it depends on the ideology.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by achenet on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @07:07AM (#33530368)
having lived in both the US and Europe for over a decade each - I'd rather have happier poor people that happier rich people.

The sign of a first world country isn't having a bunch of billionaires - you have those in Brazil and Russia. It's when the poorest people in your country still can have healthy, meaningful lives.

Honestly, from my point of view, the US is a 3rd world country, but I expect that viewpoint to be very controversial.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by prottog on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:30AM (#33531298)
You're right, I find that point of view to be very controversial. I've been to rich and poor parts of the US and Europe, and currently live in a US state that's in the bottom quintile of per capita incomes among states. There's absolutely no comparison to actual third world countries. I'd love to hear your supporting arguments for your position.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by boeingUH60 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:20AM (#33531921)
> Honestly, from my point of view, the US is a 3rd world country, but I expect that viewpoint to be very controversial.

As someone who lives in a real third-world country...I'm of the opinion that this is a silly thing to say. Yeah, the world's biggest economy ($23T GDP) that constantly sends payloads to outer space and back is third-world...maybe you could come live in a place with 80% of people below the poverty line and see what third-world is.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by kcplate on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @02:25PM (#33536608)
This is a good perspective, I can’t imagine anyone who has lived in or spent any significant time in a third world country making such a ridiculous claim.

When a country’s poor can still manage to be overweight, have cell phones, have gaming consoles, have automobiles…your perception of poor might be a tad subjective.

And before folks go off on the “what abouts”, yes I realize there are some folks in the US without those things, but let’s face it, you sample just about any “poor” person in the US, you will find at least 50%+ of the things I listed.

I doubt that you could do that with a random sample of the poor in say Burundi

Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by djmips on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:58AM (#33592419)
Cell phones are ubiquitous now even in poor countries.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by jacooper on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @07:10AM (#33530402)
I think a good way to summarize it is: The life in the EU is good for everyone, In the US its great for the rich and high earners, but hell for everyone else.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by prottog on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:16AM (#33531135)
> but hell for everyone else

Maybe "not as good for everyone else", but "hell" is such a big exaggeration. I know plenty of working-class people -- think barbers, construction workers, baristas -- who live happy lives.

The US isn't some dystopia where if you're not a millionaire you're living in a slum.