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Re:Binance Acquires FTX by SilasX on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:20PM (#33524460)
> The size of the asset balance is probably used to obtain loans and liquidity.

1) Lenders don’t care about the liability side?

2) How does “liquidity” differ from “loans” here? That is, when would they do this to achieve one but not the other?

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by ww520 on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:46PM (#33524736)
1. We don't know what the lending basis for FTT from FTX vs the claimed value of FTT on Alameda's book. FTX lent FTT at $10 to Alameda and then FTT inflated to $50 would mean Alameda has $50 asset vs $10 liability.

It's reported that Alameda Research has $14.6 billion in assets and $8 billion in liabilities. Some claim that Alameda's assets are "entirely illiquid." Nobody knows how bad things are. The only thing is that FTX has stopped the withdraws.

2. Loans for long term and liquidity for short term? Like overnight lending.

Edit: add more info.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by SilasX on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @04:49PM (#33524781)
1) What is that replying to? I was asking why the borrowed FTT would make them more capable of getting loans if it came with a corresponding liability. That would only make sense if lenders didn't care about the liability balance sheet, which is ... non standard.

Edit: That is, you said the "size of the asset balance" is used to obtain loans. That makes it sound like merely increasing assets -- even if they come with liabilities, makes them more capable of getting loans.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by nl on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @06:04PM (#33525487)
There are DeFi protocols where you can lock-up crypto assets (eg FTT) and use those locked assets as collateral to borrow another crypto asset (eg ETH). That all happens "on chain" and there is no way for the protocol to know if there are corresponding balance sheet liabilities.

I don't know what the OP was referring to, and I don't know if this is what they were doing, but something like this could happen.

Re:Binance Acquires FTX by SilasX on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @09:05AM (#33531754)
Right, but those are generally going to be on worse terms than you can get in a negotiated loan from someone who knows your entire business. So it doesn’t make much sense to negotiate an FTT loan and then use that as collateral for a less-informed loan from a smart contract.

It would be like getting a personal loan from a bank, buying jewelry with it, and then using the jewelry to get a pawn loan — a dubious strategy, since the terms on the first loan are going to be much better.