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Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by mythhouse on Thursday November 03, 2022 @03:33AM (#33448089)
> The 'high' or 'dominant' castes make up more that more than 90% of Indian migrants as per a study in 2016.

> The backward castes of South Asia, known as Dalits, form 1.5% of all Indian immigrants to the United States

Calling me ignorant and a passive aggressive "forgive you" without actually addressing my comment isn't "kind".

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by hardware2win on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:25AM (#33448757)
>GP came here with a stem degree worth millions of dollars

Degree helps you at the beginning of the career

After you have exp and knowledge

It becomes less and less relevant

It is impossible to predict value of degree

Just like the value of connections

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by mythhouse on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:30AM (#33448788)
> It is impossible to predict value of degree

Surely a stem degree and an opportunity to get a post graduate stem degree in a blazing hot tech market is worth more than $30.

Do you really think GP and a venezuelan asylee have same amount of privilege because they both came over with $30 in their pockets. Yet that was the logic GP used to justify his lack of privilege.

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by hardware2win on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:46AM (#33449208)
All im saying is that you are probably giving degree too much value

You guys over there seem to be treating degree like the only way to better life

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by felix_n on Thursday November 03, 2022 @08:17AM (#33449878)
Read it over again Magoo: the subject is a specific kind of degree and how it opens doors for a specific industry in the Bay Area. A specific industry known for being insanely competitive and requiring almost comical qualifications to get in. Put the pieces together.
Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by hardware2win on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:26AM (#33451497)
I still stand with my point

Degree is not worth this much.

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by krageon on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:59AM (#33453067)
A degree gets you in the door at all and starts you off with a higher salary (I would say significantly so) than someone with no comparable education. Those two things are a huge advantage, both in terms of money and in terms of the odds that you will be able to start making it at all.
Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by hardware2win on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:56PM (#33453901)
Thats what i wrote - degree makes your start easier, but with years of exp. it becomes less and less relevant

So the biggest salary gap is at the beginning and later everything is up to the skill

If you want fancy jobs like Jane Street then "just" degree from random school may not be enough

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by tstrimple on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:00PM (#33456647)
Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by hardware2win on Thursday November 03, 2022 @05:52PM (#33458291)
Correlation =/= causation

People with degrees, especially in stem are small (in compare to all ppl) group of people who are willing to put multi year, intense effort studying non trivial things

So yea, just those traits make them more likely to earn more

Go ahead and give degree to somebody without skills in good paying jobs and see whether that person will be milions ahead too

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by complexmango on Thursday November 03, 2022 @09:10AM (#33450401)
Astounding to see racism and ignorance represented as virtue signaling so blatantly!

Are you aware that the majority of STEM seats in Indian colleges are set aside for either affirmative action for ‘lower’ castes (itself an arbitrary criteria) and women?

The average man in India is competing for approx 10% of college seats!

And saying an Indian STEM degree is worth millions in lifetime earnings reveals even more ignorance - outside of a handful of colleges, the India higher education system is considered woefully inadequate, underfunded, pumping out graduates who only succeed out of personal initiative.

Every major corporation in India essentially has a retraining program to actually teach what’s necessary for work. The worker training issue is one of the top challenges faced by businesses there.

Perhaps it’s time you described your own ethnicity and background etc. Let’s learn a little more about where your biases flow from.

If you actually grew up in India in the time period of the OP, or knew anything about it other than nonsense in woke publications, you would feel ashamed for your tone and envy and render a sincere apology to the OP.

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by mythhouse on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:58AM (#33453044)
I merely quoted some stats, stats are not racist. I read through your rant but didn't see an explanation of why only upper caste Indians are emigrating to usa. whats that about? How do only 30% of Indians make up 90+% indians in USA.
Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by random314 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:24PM (#33453423)
> Are you aware that the majority of STEM seats in Indian colleges are set aside for either affirmative action for ‘lower’ castes (itself an arbitrary criteria) and women?

And these seats are never filled and go to upper castes anyway?

My class was supposed to be 50% low caste with 25% Dalits in a class of 60. There were literally 2 Dalits in my class. And of late, the OBC categories are being crowded in by upper castes through political action.

A whole 50% of my class was actually "payment seats" where they paid double the fees to get seats with low entrance scores. Basically, a 50% quota for the privileged.

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by garfieldnate on Thursday November 03, 2022 @04:06PM (#33456745)
Curious non-Indian here, how did you know that there were exactly two Dalits in your class? Is this a thing people talk about? Were they open about it? Or do you just recognize them on sight?
Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by random314 on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:10AM (#33462461)
I am not a Hindu, so my caste radar is fairly weak. I cant tell caste by last name or by religious practices.

Having said that, People ask folks how much they scored in their entrance exam. Then it becomes obvious who were Dalits are - they had the lowest scores. The 2 of them were also fairly underprivileged, so you could guess from their less trendy and not as new clothes too.

50% were payment seats with about the same entrance rank as OBC students. So it was hard to tell the OBCs apart from the payment seat students. India actually has "affirmative action" for the rich in all private universities, which most of Indian H1Bs have graduated from. My parents couldn't afford these seats. The H1B upper castes wont tell you that, and will pretend that rich Dalits are taking over all the seats. No such thing is happening. I have never met a rich Dalit in my life. I am sure they exist, but I have never met them.

Their academic performance improves with time, and some of them are engineering managers at Microsoft now.

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by garfieldnate on Friday November 04, 2022 @10:29AM (#33467289)
Okay, but to follow up, how do you know that some are engineering managers at Microsoft, now? Is this just something that gets around via gossip?

Also, is "caste radar" a word you made up, or is that a generally-used concept?

Re:American society is so focused on race that it is blind t... by random314 on Friday November 04, 2022 @04:54PM (#33473599)
> how do you know that some are engineering managers at Microsoft, now?

I am connected to those folks on LinkedIn.

> Also, is "caste radar" a word you made up, or is that a generally-used concept?

I made it up. But I have read content online, where Dalits feel a huge pressure when they are asked which temple they attend, or how they celebrate certain festivals. I don't know what these ritual differences are. Many folks pick up caste from last names, I can only pick up a small subset of them. What I meant to say was that - I can't tell the caste of a person as easily as Hindus. The Dalits I know, I surmised their caste from their entrance rank and many of them didn't hide it.