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Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by jjeaff on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:50PM (#33443960)
I think it is a pretty cool fact that because of the ability to use LED lights in this manner where they emit only the ranges of light wavelengths that are beneficial to plants, you can actually capture sunlight with solar panels. Convert that light to electricity. Then re-emit that electricity as light through these narrow range LEDs as well as store it and emit it over longer periods of time. You actually end up with more plant growth than would be possible if the plants were directly in the sun.
Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by danans on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:07PM (#33444111)
> You actually end up with more plant growth than would be possible if the plants were directly in the sun.

More plant growth and less loss to pests. But the sun is free and agricultural land is cheap, so I know of few plants (other than the obvious one) that are economical to grow this way.

Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by 323 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:07PM (#33444109)
Plants are grown on surfaces measured in tens of percents of country sizes.

There is no way to produce enough solar panels to power that.

Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by danans on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:13PM (#33444179)
> Plants are grown on surfaces measured in tens of percents of country sizes.

That is cereal crop agriculture, which can't be done in vertical farms anyways.

Stuff like this is targeted at vegetables and herbs. There are still scale problems, but nothing like the kind associated with cereal crops.

The main issue as I understand it is that the sun is free outdoors, so it is hard to justify the cost of the equipment for indoor LED horticulture.

Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by atonse on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @09:40PM (#33445662)
Is nobody looking at using maybe fiber optics to maybe redirect actual sunlight into layers of crops?
Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by danans on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:11AM (#33446884)
I imagine that fiber optics wouldn't transmit enough light, but I could be wrong.
Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by thatcat on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:18AM (#33449055)
Light pipes
Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by imtringued on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:38AM (#33463265)
>That is cereal crop agriculture, which can't be done in vertical farms anyways.

Then why even bother? Just go straight for artificial starch synthesis then. The saved land can be used to produce everything else on agricultural land.

It sounds ridiculous that people are proposing to basically build an VR arcade for plants.

Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by Narkov on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:12PM (#33444159)
Talking out aloud here...could vertical farming help here? My theory is that we only use so much land because it needs access to the sun. If we use LED's and stack vertically, we can condense down the footprint.
Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by knaekhoved on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:20PM (#33444227)
The constraint in this hypothetical scenario is space for solar panels, not space for plants.
Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by ozcap on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:02PM (#33444076)
That wouldn’t be possible to get a higher output of the suns energy after going through a solar panel as well as a lighting circuit.

Plants benefit more from the intensity of light rather than a slightly preferable spectrum.

Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by marmadukester39 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:05PM (#33444095)
Is this true?
Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by camtarn on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:13PM (#33444173)
The bit about plants benefitting more from intensity is, as far as I understand it, false - plants are only sensitive to light in fairly narrow wavelengths, which is why grow lights aren't necessarily white. (Source: partner is a professional horticulturist who sourced grow lights for the botanic gardens he works at)

However, GP may be right about the conversion efficiency destroying any gains that you might get from re-emitting light in only those wavelengths. The energy conversion efficiency of even the most efficient LEDs seems to only be about 50%, with the rest emitted as heat. (Source: just a quick Google, so take with a grain of salt) And then you've got the solar panel efficiency on top of that, plus any necessary voltage conversion. Definitely quite a tough ask.

Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by jjeaff on Friday November 04, 2022 @02:04PM (#33471221)
I don't think you are correct here. It may vary by plant species, but plants grown under grow lights in the correct spectrum grow significantly faster than a control plant in direct sunlight.
Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by imtringued on Friday November 04, 2022 @03:46AM (#33463303)
https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2021/02/vertical-farming-eco...

>The “farm” produces four harvests per year. With every harvest, enough wheat is grown to make one loaf of bread (580 grams), which has a cost of at least 345 euros.

>Calculated at a yield of 175 kilowatt-hours per square meter of solar panel per year, the indoor cultivation of 1 m2 of wheat requires 20 m2 of solar panels.

Re:Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture by jjeaff on Friday November 04, 2022 @01:55PM (#33471050)
I don't think wheat is a good candidate. But also, that article is about an art installation and it doesn't appear to be using narrow band light emission as the light color directly over the plants looks rather natural.