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Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by trention on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:43AM (#33431782)
>Visual arts as a career will be dead soon

Put a fine of 10% of annual turnover if a company cannot prove that images used in its product/ads are human generated. Make payment to visual artists part of the process of proving it. Boom, visual arts as a career saved.

It's one thing to say we shouldn't do it, it's quite another to say we cannot.

Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by throwaway675309 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:24AM (#33431982)
That's a profoundly stupid idea. There are low code solutions that generate fully compilable pieces of programs and applications, so let's make sure we ban those.

Plenty of music is procedurally generated so we gotta make sure we ban those as well.

Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by trention on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:27AM (#33431990)
What's profoundly stupid is to assume every piece of technology is good so we should do nothing about its proliferation. Yes, we should ban low-code tools based on deep learning over "fairly used" (not) datasets and we should ban the same for music, writing, whatever. AI bros can go cry in the corner, I don't care.
Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by allisdust on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:46AM (#33432079)
Think of it from a non-monetary way and ignoring job security for a moment. Why would anyone (artists/programmers) spend their time doing something a machine can do ? It would be a terrible way to spend ones life. Perhaps the datasets can be licensed (if that's the sticky point) and embrace the AI ?
Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by wnkrshm on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @03:32AM (#33432349)
It's the difference between a bus and hiking: With a bus, you can arrive at lots of places fast but you will never experience the place as the hiker does.
Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by trention on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:51AM (#33432909)
>Why would anyone (artists/programmers) spend their time doing something a machine can do

Why do humans play chess after 1997? Why do they play checkers after the 70s?

AI capability is destroying human enjoyment of activities because it also destroys the economic rationale for engaging in them and/or allows other humans to cheat.

The obvious conclusion of this position is that we should just all kill ourselves if strong AI ever starts to exists. No, thank you, I'd rather do everything possible to prevent it from being created.

Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @09:13AM (#33435171)
> The obvious conclusion of this position is that we should just all kill ourselves if strong AI ever starts to exists.

Indeed that is the logical conclusion. I expect some people advocating this line of logic to follow through

Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by allisdust on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:10AM (#33431913)
With the amount of power the copyright lobby has, who knows it might be true. However advertising is not the only industry where visual arts will be affected. Gaming, Comics, Animation, VR, Movies etc will be affected as well. And regulation isn't going to keep up across all the countries.

Even if we assume the above rule is made, there is no way to prove it because even if a human does it, he might still use the help of photoshop etc which are planning to integrate such tools currently. Most favorable outcome I see out of this is for famous/competent artists to license out their style of art to these generation companies which then train their models on them (which sounds win-win but won't be as profitable as it is today)

Re:Invasive Diffusion: one unwilling illustrator found her t... by trention on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:29AM (#33432001)
>Even if we assume the above rule is made, there is no way to prove it because even if a human does it, he might still use the help of photoshop etc which are planning to integrate such tools currently.

It's unclear to what extend tool producers will support AI in this context at all. Also, this is a problem for safeguarding the integrity of the product of artists, not for safeguarding their income.