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Re:Chip Design Shifts as Fundamental Laws Run Out of Steam by otabdeveloper4 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @06:19AM (#33419192)
By "ML" you really mean "neural networks", and ML is like Bitcoin - there's still no good business use for them, even after all these years.

(Business probably just wants Bayesian inference instead, but that's too hard, let's go hardware shopping instead.)

Re:Chip Design Shifts as Fundamental Laws Run Out of Steam by chimprich on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @07:19AM (#33419662)
I don't understand this comment. ANNs are being used everywhere - image recognition, voice recognition, document classification... I can only see this use increasing for the foreseeable future.
Re:Chip Design Shifts as Fundamental Laws Run Out of Steam by eru on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @07:21AM (#33419681)
Google spends a lot of money on ML. Are they idiots who throw away money?
Re:Chip Design Shifts as Fundamental Laws Run Out of Steam by hajile on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @08:13AM (#33420136)
Google kills tons of very expensive projects. Facebook spends a lot on their Metaverse, but that doesn’t make it good. Tons of companies spend on terrible ideas.

They only difference with Google or Facebook is that they’re big enough to absorb the losses.

This isn’t to say that ML is a dead end, but instead to point out thatjust because they are investing a lot doesn’t make it good.

Re:Chip Design Shifts as Fundamental Laws Run Out of Steam by eru on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @10:02AM (#33421364)
Well, Google and Apple are also putting ML specific processors into their phones.
Re:Chip Design Shifts as Fundamental Laws Run Out of Steam by ori_b on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @10:08AM (#33421444)
Quite often, yes.

ML is unlikely to be one of those places, but appealing to the efficiency of large, bureaucratic companies is a poor argument.

Re:Chip Design Shifts as Fundamental Laws Run Out of Steam by nl on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @08:03AM (#33420058)
As someone who works in crypto[1] but used to work in ML your comments about neural network based ML coudn't be further from the truth.

Many businesses are seeing real, measurable impacts from NN based software that would be impossible without it.

[1] agree with your comment, not much real business use for it, but I wanted to work in it to be sure

Re:Chip Design Shifts as Fundamental Laws Run Out of Steam by otabdeveloper4 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @02:24PM (#33425277)
> Many businesses are seeing real, measurable impacts from NN based software that would be impossible without it.

Citation needed. Decision trees are still state of the art.

Re:Chip Design Shifts as Fundamental Laws Run Out of Steam by nl on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @10:03PM (#33430614)
Um wow.

How do you do anything vision related with decision trees? Or anything beyond n-grams with text?

But here's some citations as requested:

https://casetext.com/blog/game-changing-ai-litigators/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6512995/

https://possibility.teledyneimaging.com/advances-in-ai-for-i...

https://www.skinvision.com/

https://www.lifewhisperer.com/

etc

(I'm pointing at these particular fields because I personally have worked on NNs in applications in these fields, but there are plenty more)

Re:Chip Design Shifts as Fundamental Laws Run Out of Steam by cultofmetatron on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @02:30PM (#33425354)
> there's still no good business use for them, even after all these years.

aside from fraud detection, autonomous vehicles, language translation, facial recognition, voice preproduction and market insights of course