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Re:Why Did the F-14 Tomcat Retire Decades Before Its Peers? ... by ramesh31 on Sunday October 30, 2022 @11:56AM (#33395549)
How sophisticated was the AA threat over Baghdad on the initial wave?
Re:Why Did the F-14 Tomcat Retire Decades Before Its Peers? ... by CH1jZci6jV on Sunday October 30, 2022 @12:16PM (#33395724)
I think we thought they were a lot more sophisticated than they actually were. But shock and awe was designed to basically neutralize all of that anyway. The Navy was the night shift and that included a lot of tomahawk missiles too. The Air Force was the daytime campaign so there was a lot of capability to take out different threats.

The biggest threat I remember was we were very sure Saddam had chemical weapons (mostly because we sold them to him previously, but I digress). So we had to carry gas masks and did chemical attack drills alot. We also were forced to take many shots including small pox and an experimental anthrax shot. Many of my friends have medical conditions they believe are related to those shots.

Re:Why Did the F-14 Tomcat Retire Decades Before Its Peers? ... by the__alchemist on Sunday October 30, 2022 @12:42PM (#33395974)
Surprising re shifts! More recently, the Navy has been biased towards day shifts due to carrier landing windows. My understanding is a big part of the Navy training/brief/debrief focus is the recovery.
Re:Why Did the F-14 Tomcat Retire Decades Before Its Peers? ... by mysterydip on Sunday October 30, 2022 @12:49PM (#33396050)
There's a big difference in number of personnel involved and how important equipment (radar, IFF, landing systems) are for daytime vs nighttime recoveries.
Re:Why Did the F-14 Tomcat Retire Decades Before Its Peers? ... by wheelerof4te on Sunday October 30, 2022 @03:08PM (#33397544)
"But shock and awe was designed to basically neutralize all of that anyway. The Navy was the night shift and that included a lot of tomahawk missiles too."

Isn't shock and awe designed to strike fear and terror in the hearts and minds of the populace? When you bomb bridges, railroads and vital energy infrastructure, the civilians are the ones who suffer the most.

You don't even have to target military sites when the starving people get rid of the "dictator" for you.

But you got that sweet black gold, so who the f*ck cares, right?

Re:Why Did the F-14 Tomcat Retire Decades Before Its Peers? ... by yywwbbn on Sunday October 30, 2022 @04:10PM (#33398156)
No, it was designed to strike fear and terror into the hearts of common soldiers so that they would run away/surrender instead of fighting. Civilians were just collateral damage.

The uprising happened during the first war, but Bush I decided that he’d rather keep Sadam in power and that Kuwait’s oil was enough…

Re:Why Did the F-14 Tomcat Retire Decades Before Its Peers? ... by SECProto on Sunday October 30, 2022 @04:28PM (#33398314)
> Isn't shock and awe designed to strike fear and terror in the hearts and minds of the populace? When you bomb bridges, railroads and vital energy infrastructure, the civilians are the ones who suffer the most.

Per the Wikipedia article on the invasion and campaign being referenced, no this was not the intent:

> In practice, U.S. plans envisioned simultaneous air and ground assaults to incapacitate the Iraqi forces quickly [...] would allow them to attack the heart of the Iraqi command structure and destroy it in a short time, and that this would minimize civilian deaths and damage to infrastructure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Opening_...

The real impact turned out ... a bit different than this claimed strategy

Re:Why Did the F-14 Tomcat Retire Decades Before Its Peers? ... by diskzero on Sunday October 30, 2022 @03:23PM (#33397686)
Being on the ground and dealing with MOPP gear was no fun either. The Army certainly took the risk very seriously. The MOPP gear receded into the background on later deployments. While all the shots may be a slight concern, I am more afraid of breathing in all the invigorating air from the burn pits.
Re:Why Did the F-14 Tomcat Retire Decades Before Its Peers? ... by skylanh on Sunday October 30, 2022 @08:25PM (#33400569)
The Operations Room has an excellent, very detailed breakdown of the events of Desert Storm: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLErys4h2oiuyKCuzZhpHh...