Of course everybody thinks PETA as lunatics, maybe rightfully. But it was them made veganism a thing. It's mainstream now. (I guess about between 2% and 5% of the population and growing). Burger king and McDonnalds sell vegan options. That's absurdly successful. When they started it was literally about 5 people.

I don't think most vegans will quote them for their change, but their activism that gave animal wellfare attention in a attention economy, when it would otherwise simply not have gotten any.

I think globalisation plays a part in this too. Some Asian cultures are vegetarian or vegan and increased ties with the rest of the world has spread their culture too.

I often eat at a Nepalese vegan restaurant and the food sure beats McDonald's or burger king. Not to mention they actually believe in veganism, they don't just have a token veggie burger on the menu because the market wants it.

They even prohibit consumption of baby food with meat on the premises :)

Prohibition is the very issue. Instead, market whatever vegan you got as better for environment (if that is your goal).

As for prohibiting baby food, I would kindly tell them to go fuck themselves. Nobody is going to prohibit a parent from feeding their baby with food already prepared and bought. Its exactly this type of rhetoric which makes moderates skip on vegan community (and I eat vegan dishes on a daily basis!)

I don't want whoever to believe, I want a neat combination of healthy, tasty, and good for environment/animal, but in a spectrum. Not extremes, not any toxic belief systems.

(As for McDs and BK there are better veggie and vegan options available but I prefer BK vegan way over McDs vegan, hands down. That we have these options is a sign of time. When I was full-time vegan it was a nightmare to go out eating. Now we have New York Pizza delivering delicious vegan shoarma pizzas.)

I think the implication is that PETA legitimately believes in their cause and methods.

And they fail again and again. Peta (and similar groups), are responsible of a lot of acts that can only described as environmental terrorism. And they did it for the money, not for the cause.

When was the last time you saw someone wearing fur?

> When was the last time you saw someone wearing fur?

Winter of 2022, half of Europe. PETA can frolic naked in the snow if they want.

What? Anyway the point is that fur was at one point, not that long ago, quite common and fashionable, and now most people have never even seen a fur coat. This could be simply fashion (we dress a lot less formally now in general) but IMO you can also trace it pretty directly to PETA throwing paint on people wearing them. Why buy an expensive fur if somebody is just going to ruin it with paint or, worse, you just look like an asshole wearing it?

> Why buy an expensive fur if somebody is just going to ruin it with paint or, worse, you just look like an asshole wearing it?

Why buy an expensive tablet made of nasty coltan if a brat is just going to jump over it?, oh wait... in fact they don't do it.

This hypocrites bully grandmas "in the name of ecology" while using all the time products made of materials that destroy the African rainforests, and never think twice about it.

And in their totalitarian utopia we all wear plastic replacements. Of course plastic fur is super-ecological. Have you heard of particles of "micro-leather" or "micro-fox-hair" contaminating the environment?. Me neither.

They are directly responsible of the death of animals and plants. To start the ruined products that would last a life have to be replaced at a faster pace, so more small carnivores must die for the paint. They liberate chimps in the zoos with the results that the chimps must be shoot and killed. They blocked fixing the American grey squirrel invasion in Italy, so now the squirrels are killing trees and the red squirrels are dying from viruses. Great job lads!. They liberate alien carnivores that kill millions of birds. They are always an obstacle for a sensible ecological management and always take the wrong side in terms of nature conservation.

But of course the rest of people are not moral enough and not saint enough. Not like them.