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Re:World Energy Outlook 2022 by skrause on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:14AM (#33355908)
Fracking gas is about as bad to the climate as coal because so much methane leaks directly into the atmosphere: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/frack...

So Germany can just as well continue to dig up and burn lignite instead of starting fracking.

Re:World Energy Outlook 2022 by hunterb123 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:22AM (#33355962)
1. Methane disappears very quickly

2. It's very small amounts and it can be captured (and is in some instances)

3. The US reduced emissions while growing energy output thanks to nat. gas displacing coal.

We don't have to take your word for it, we can see that nat. gas energy production is cleaner than coal, because we have actual data from our transition off of coal to nat. gas.

The methane talking point is just that. It's not an actual issue, and you can see it's not from overall numbers.

If you truly cared about emissions you'd want the current best solution that drives it down. That would mean displacing coal at all cost. The current best way to do that is nat. gas and fracking.

Nuclear isn't built up as a baseline, renewables aren't ready for peak loads, and outsourcing it to someone else only shuffles it around. So... natural gas it is...

Re:World Energy Outlook 2022 by lm28469 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:27AM (#33356011)
We can also see that fracking is absolutely nasty thanks to the endless amount of studies done on it, but if we cherry pick one single metric, sure...

Ditching a fossil fuel to another fossil fuel is just perpetuating the problem, it's not solving anything. It's like going from a meth addiction to a cocaine addition, sure cocaine isn't as bad, you'll still be absolutely fucked up in a decade though

Re:World Energy Outlook 2022 by hunterb123 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:32AM (#33356044)
Those studies you didn't even reference were most likely FUD. I've worked on companies who organized those through call centers to spread the misinformation about fracking.

But instead of coming up with useless analogies about cocaine and falling back on studies you didn't even reference, please respond to each of my points instead of talking past me.

Maybe start with the fact that there are no replacements ready for coal other than nat. gas.

I'm all for building up nuclear energy and even battery banks. But currently nothing is available other than nat. gas to take the load that coal has produced.

Soo... the best way to reduce emissions is to use nat. gas until a solution is built up and ready. (cough, nuclear, cough)

Renewables will most likely never be able to handle the peak load, you need a baseline source, that's either fossil fuels or nuclear energy thanks to their densities.

Re:World Energy Outlook 2022 by lm28469 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:50AM (#33356177)
https://www.unco.edu/nhs/biology/about-us/franklin-scott/lab...

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/study-links-fracki...

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/27012022/fracking-air-pol...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4016083/

Studies you don't like are fake right ?

> I've worked on companies who organized those through call centers to spread the misinformation about fracking.

Is that supposed to make you sound more truth-worthy ?

Re:World Energy Outlook 2022 by mastax on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:40AM (#33357329)
I find it hard to believe that highly regulated German gas production, even fracking, could be as bad as notoriously leaky Russian gas infrastructure.