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Re:Salary Transparency by xupybd on Monday October 24, 2022 @08:55PM (#33324797)
> measly 400k

Here in NZ $140,000NZD would be a good wage for a software developer. That is about $80,000USD. $400k US is about $700,600NZD. That is a massive amount of money for one years work.

Edit: My sarcasm meter is broken. In reading other comments I seem to have missed the joke. Sorry.

Re:Salary Transparency by slyall on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:45PM (#33325942)
As a NZ person in tech I'd be embarrassed to post my salary history here. Been doing it for years and still paid under $US100k.
Re:Salary Transparency by viraptor on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:10AM (#33326107)
Keep in mind Google is a massive outlier inside massively successful startups which are outliers inside SV which is an outlier inside...

Lots of places in the US are as far from those numbers as NZ. Google numbers should not be an reference point to almost anyone, anywhere or they're likely to be disappointed.

Re:Salary Transparency by pc86 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @10:08AM (#33330644)
Serious question, how many years? I ask because 1) I make really good money now, especially if you ignore the SV/FAANG outliers that everyone here pretends are the norm, but it still took me 7-8 years to break 100k USD, in the US. 2) Maybe because there are so many new devs now but I hear people say a lot "I've been doing this for years!" then when you dig into it "years" means 2 or 3. These are also the same people who don't consider themselves junior 6 months into their first job, or consider themselves senior after 3 years. A career is 30-40 years long.

The median income for a dev in the US is 100k. That's going to skew down due to lots of juniors but it also includes everyone making several hundred thousand dollars a year. I am taking a pay cut down to 160 for better WLB on a product I have used for years as a customer and really care about, and I think if you ignore the outliers I am very well compensated at 12 YOE and existing domain knowledge.

Re:Salary Transparency by xupybd on Friday October 28, 2022 @04:01AM (#33368824)
I'm mid way through my second decade of professional programming. I'm still well below $100k USD. But I earn way above average for NZ.
Re:Salary Transparency by solraph on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:34AM (#33326288)
Come to Australia, AUD$150k is fairly normal for a (actual) senior developer now.

Note: This is a very recent thing since the start of 2022. Salary guides from even 2020 probably show $30k-$50k less.

Re:Salary Transparency by gregoryl on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:42AM (#33326328)
I'm seeing sub-standard senior candidates asking for 160k (and more) in Melbourne. Fully remote etc.
Re:Salary Transparency by phist_mcgee on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:08AM (#33328476)
There really aren't a lot of great candidates out there. The last hiring round I ran turned up a lot of candidates asking for 170k, but who couldn't even do elementary software engineering best practices. Not algorithms, but things like - reading code, writing comments, formatting their files.

Pretty incredible to see how tight the market is right now.

Re:Salary Transparency by Panzer04 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:26AM (#33328600)
Really?

Do they at least have some kind of redeeming character? Or is it literally at the point where being able to write some kind of code is sufficient?

(Am 1yr junior in Melbourne that should probably be looking around, it sounds like..)

Re:Salary Transparency by phist_mcgee on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @06:39AM (#33328705)
In essence two things:

1. We have to use recruiters to find candidates, we barely get any hits on our job ad, even though we are a pretty innovative company with a modern tech stack and pay quite well. The recruiters field us the most woeful candidates, but at least it's someone rather than no one. The pool for qualified senior engineers is low, so we're all competing for a shrinking pool of candidates relative to the jobs on offer.

2. Hiring for fit is important to me, so it's not so much that they aren't stellar in their interview technically, but the fact that people don't realistically state what their strengths and weaknesses are, and sometimes outright lie to you, means that I don't want to work with them. Humility is the bedrock of real growth, how can you really grow if you're lying to people around you about how competent you are? I've hired weaker candidates technically purely because they had an on honest approach to their abilities, and demonstrated a keeness for learning.

If you're at the junior level, my advice is to job hop as mad as possible until you have a few years/companies under your belt. Get a breadth of experiences at a few different places, it will help you contextualise everything you learn/don't know Once you hit 5-10 years experience, that's the time to start slowing down and really honing in on your experience and stay at places for longer. Completing projects end to end, and crucially, learning how to plan, estimate and deal with change over time.

Re:Salary Transparency by californiacream on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @09:55AM (#33330504)
Do you have a link to your company website, and perhaps a form to fill in with regards to strengths and weaknesses? Dm is ok!
Re:Salary Transparency by xupybd on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @10:43PM (#33339160)
Is it possible to DM on HN?
Re:Salary Transparency by gregoryl on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:29AM (#33353928)
Yes, via email, which you can put in your profile!
Re:Salary Transparency by Vibgyor5 on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @04:33AM (#33327798)
A$150k sounds fairly decent against USD but upon currency exchange, it is $94k. Accounting for the high cost of living in places like Sydney etc, it ain't that much
Re:Salary Transparency by jakeinspace on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @10:26AM (#33330875)
Better standard of living in Sydney or Melbourne than the Bay though. I really cherish the time I got to spend in Australia, despite the cost of living, and I’d live to return some day.
Re:Salary Transparency by gregoryl on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @12:40AM (#33326319)
I'm hiring, in Melbourne. Some basic details in the profile. Already claimed one senior from Auckland, suspect they doubled salary by moving.
Re:Salary Transparency by xupybd on Tuesday October 25, 2022 @02:10AM (#33326861)
Do you hire from NZ or is relocation required? I'm not looking but interested in how the world works in the days of remote work.
Re:Salary Transparency by gregoryl on Thursday October 27, 2022 @02:31AM (#33353939)
We can't (currently? yet?) hire people who are not working from Australia, for legal reasons. I'd love to change that, finding great people even across the whole of AU is extremely difficult.