See how long it takes on a core i3 with 4GB RAM (to pull a cheap new laptop from walmart: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Ideapad-3i-14-FHD-Laptop-I... )

Not everyone has top of the line or even mid-range hardware.

I got a six year old T460, so I'm not really top of the line either. Nevertheless I don't sit in front of the machine for hours each and every month and watch Windows doing its updates.

People like to dramatically exaggerate how long Windows update bind you each month. Probably no Windows users but it's an easy target.

It doesn’t matter how long it takes if it elects to do it when you want to do something else. Computers are our servants not our managers. Choosing to do something which can neither be deferred or cancelled is unforgivable.

> which can neither be deferred or cancelled

You can defer it.

Update and reboot? Update and shutdown? Reboot/Shutdown without updating now? All three are possible, so it's fine.

I have absolutely seen updates which may not be deferred or refused - and indeed the original post this in this thread details one.

Yeah, but I'm not refering to the original post but to complaints that Windows updates will take hours of your productive time each month for nothing. That's simply not true.

It doesn't matter whether it is hours or one minute, it's unacceptable. A sibling comment here describes how a Windows update started in the middle of a presentation someone was giving, which indicates quite clearly that Windows Updates take productive time away - not just of the user of the computer, but those who were listening also.

Again, computers are our servants, not our managers.

I was at a conference and 5 minutes into the plenary speaker's keynote address, his Windows 10 laptop that he was running his presentation slides from started an obligatory none-cancelable system upgrade. I don't think Microsoft scored any PR points there.

Happens to DJs too.

These posts are perplexing. It's like watching people getting angry because they were pulled over for not renewing their car tabs.

- Everyone knows that car tabs have to be renewed by a deadline and everyone knows Windows has forced updates by a deadline.

- Everyone knows how to pay their car tabs and everyone knows how to check the Windows update so that it updates when you have free time for it. And if they don't, it's just 5 seconds of Googling to find either.

- Everyone knows what happens if they don't renew their car tabs or allow the reboot by a certain date.

- Everyone knows that neither the vehicle licensing authorities nor Microsoft is going to change their policies. It doesn't matter what people think what the policy ought to be because it isn't that way and they know it.

So basically, they picked up a gun, took careful aim at their foot, pulled the trigger, and are shocked and angry that there's a bleeding hole? Sure, they can go ahead and change operating systems but it isn't going to fix the fundamental problem, if you know what I mean.

Actually it would fix the problem. No other operating system forces updates whenever the fuck it feels like, and people should not accept this as a fait accompli.

Also; where the do you live such that there isn’t a grace period on registration renewal? Do you think a car just stops working when that happens in the middle of your commute to work?

> "Actually it would fix the problem."

"Whoosh", as the kids these days say.

> "Also; where the do you live such that there isn’t a grace period on registration renewal?"

There's a grace period for forced reboots for Windows updates too and these users blithely ignored that. So what's your point?

That no other OS forcibly interrupts you to install updates, and that makes Windows tautologically worse than other operating systems.

What’s your point again, with all this bullshit car analogy? And why won’t you post your bad opinions under your real name?

With those specs I would guarantee the update actually takes less than 15 minutes on average each month. I don't remember an update adding more than 1 or 2 minutes on my i5 8gb to my restart time since Windows 11.

Is that a tricky question? A computer like that could never run Windows 11.

The time locked in update is undefined because the first time an update is available, Windows will never terminate downloading and unpacking it.

My main personal laptop is a cheap Walmart house brand Motile laptop from a few years ago.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/MOTILE-14-Performance-Laptop-FHD-...

Installing updates takes less than five minutes once a month.

I have the opposite experience. 4GB of ram + i3-4005U + spinning drive, windows update is unbearable. That's on top of anything newer than 2016 being unusable anyway.

I don't do media on it, so I've been quite happy running 9front lately.

> spinning drive

There's your problem. Even the cheapest of SATA SSD will massively outperform almost any laptop hard disk drive when it comes to random I/O. And it'll probably increase your battery life a smidge as well.

I wouldn't put applications on any spinning rust these days, especially laptop 5400 (or worse!) drives.

$40 for a 512GB SATA SSD that'll blow the socks off whatever spinning drive you have.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/659868/inland-profession...

I don't have the budget for that at the immediate moment, but yes, I know.

I do think my point still stands though. I don't think it's acceptable for software to run this slow, even on this. I'm talking windows has been idling for hours and basic tasks like clicking on the volume slider are sluggish.

> $40 for a 512GB SATA SSD

On a side note: I'm fascinated HOW cheap SSD storage has become. Really looking into changing my backup drives to SSDs instead of good old spinning drives...