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Re:Ask HN: Are there recorded instances of people being fram... by bitwize on Saturday October 22, 2022 @08:42AM (#33297857)
I've watched cop shows and noticed that there are scenes when the DA comes in and chews out the chief of police for doing slipshod work because he doesn't have enough evidence to convict. When the reality is more like a Chappellian "sprinkle some crack on the evidence". Or the cops will just lie on the stand and the jury will take them at their word.
Re:Ask HN: Are there recorded instances of people being fram... by mandmandam on Saturday October 22, 2022 @09:16AM (#33298079)
In Ireland we had a huge bruhaha over our Tánaiste (a high up in government) being "terrorized" at a protest in Jobstown.

For weeks, headlines across the country talked about how she was "trapped" in her car "for hours". She was "terrified"! Protesters were brought up on serious criminal charges over this incident of "kidnapping" and "forceful detention".

High ranking police-people testified on the stand that her car was unable to leave the area due to the protesters, for hours.

Then, it came out - leaked on social media - that video footage from multiple angles proved beyond doubt that the incident had been completely overblown.

In fact, she could have left at any time, with plenty of space behind her car. All those police sergeants and the Tánaiste herself were lying out of their teeth.

The response from Irish media was to try and put restrictions on social media. They ignored the story for a while, then a few years later printed stories about her "recalling her trauma" at the protest.

So yeah. This was a high profile incident with an entire country watching - imagine what they do when the accused is 'just some professor or journalist or whatever'.

Re:Ask HN: Are there recorded instances of people being fram... by GekkePrutser on Saturday October 22, 2022 @12:00PM (#33299396)
I think the OP was primarily thinking about placing actual incriminating evidence on an innocent subject to be used to convict them in a court of law. What was done here was stupid but not illegal, and it was done in favour of the subject (basically PR). Also no hacking was involved, just media 'spin'.

It's indeed stupid how the Irish media are obeying the government's spin though.

Re:Ask HN: Are there recorded instances of people being fram... by lazide on Saturday October 22, 2022 @12:25PM (#33299680)
The really insidious part is they often aren’t even ‘obeying’ (which implies a directive), it’s often ‘goes along with’ in the hope of getting better access to interesting stories and drama, and selling more papers.
Re:Ask HN: Are there recorded instances of people being fram... by mandmandam on Saturday October 22, 2022 @12:37PM (#33299802)
Fair points, though I'd say lying under oath is illegal even if you're in high office.

You've reminded me about what happened to Maurice McCabe though.

Summing up from memory: he gave detailed evidence about widespread systematic corruption at the highest levels and below in the Irish police.

Shortly after, he was accused of stealing a pedo priest's hard drive from evidence. Accusations, later found completely untrue, were made by a garda of him doing bad things to young people.

Shortly after, a "copy and paste error" in a Tusla (Irish child services) database accused him of molesting a Garda's underage daughter at a birthday party.

After a huge fight involving many years of horrific struggle, multiple Garda Commissioners and a Minister for Justice resigned over the series of incidents. McCabe received a 5 million euro settlement. But for many years, the vast majority of the Irish media refused to touch his story; and even after it all came out they continued to report on it in the most twisted way possible. For example, they never mention, when discussing the "copy paste error", that this was in fact the third attempt to smear McCabe in this way.

(A brief timeline of the saga: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20442857.html)

Stupid isn't the word you're looking for - it's 'complicit'.

Re:Ask HN: Are there recorded instances of people being fram... by buran77 on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:17AM (#33298505)
The most popular cop shows running now (like Law and Order) are pure fantasy, propaganda, and wishful thinking. They're made to present a much better version of reality because the real story would turn people's stomachs and lead to a level of unrest and distrust that would help no one in the short term, least of all the police.

And trying to make a show highlighting the dark side of policing would be close to impossible these days. Movie shooting relies a lot on the police for things like crowd and traffic control, and even for using real cops and equipment in some scenes. After one episode there would be enough "unfortunate incidents" to make it impossible to continue effectively. It's the same story as with the Pentagon and military themed movies [0][1].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29835933

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22590378

Re:Ask HN: Are there recorded instances of people being fram... by robbintt on Saturday October 22, 2022 @10:44AM (#33298715)
Check out "We Own This City" on HBO now, a more modern view of "The Wire". Unfortunately the story is still wrapped in people getting caught and justice being served, but it's a start.
Re:Ask HN: Are there recorded instances of people being fram... by dylan604 on Saturday October 22, 2022 @11:40AM (#33299191)
The Wire is a work of fiction. We Own This City is based on a non-fiction book about actual cops convicted for the crimes they committed. They both are set in Baltimore, the same producer is involved, and there are many actors appearing in both series, but the story lines have nothing to do with each other. So not sure about the "modern view".