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Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by giantg2 on Thursday October 20, 2022 @03:36PM (#33279589)
"... and how they interpret the dogs behaviors."

The interpretation part is huge in many disciplines. If you especially look at high profile cases, you can have experts for each side presenting opposing interpretations (not even involving animals).

Then it's up to the jury to decide which is more believable.

There's your spooky story for the day.

Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Thursday October 20, 2022 @03:56PM (#33279866)
And, unfortunately, "reasonable doubt" is not a reliable fallback in such a situation.
Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by giantg2 on Thursday October 20, 2022 @08:07PM (#33282525)
Reasonable is whatever they say it is.
Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by FpUser on Thursday October 20, 2022 @04:46PM (#33280452)
So it seems that "beyond the reasonable doubts" is a fiction unless one can afford really expensive lawyers.
Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by TedDoesntTalk on Friday October 21, 2022 @12:21AM (#33284468)
Even expensive lawyers and experts do not always overcome the court of opinion.
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Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by giantg2 on Friday October 21, 2022 @06:46AM (#33286629)
"It’s definitely destroyed my trust in a jury of my peers."

If only they were actual peers. Many of the smart ones know what to say to get out of being on a jury. There are so many people with biases too, and many don't get filtered out because they don't even realize that their belief is based on bias.

Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by FpUser on Friday October 21, 2022 @01:36PM (#33290768)
>"Many of the smart ones know what to say to get out of being on a jury."

I believe in supremacy of justice as I understand it over a written rule (I know it is flawed but this is me). If I feel that person will be punished unjustly then screw the law and I would vote for nullification as it is my right. I think this will stop from being selected as a juror.

Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by dahfizz on Friday October 21, 2022 @12:16AM (#33284443)
I only recently learned that you can waive your right to a jury, and instead have your case decided by the judge.

I think this would be a very tempting option for me, if I ever found myself in serious legal trouble. I assume a judge would be less susceptible to emotional manipulation, and be intelligent enough to properly weigh the facts.

Of course, then you are at the mercy of one person.

Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by btilly on Friday October 21, 2022 @04:24AM (#33285814)
Well actually they will bypass both and offer you a deal you can't refuse.

It's called a plea bargain. "Plea guilty and here is your penalty. And if you don't, here is the stack of charges we'll try to get you for and how much worst it will be. Do you feel lucky, punk?"

Over 95% of cases end this way. Based on exoneration, a fairly significant percentage are actually innocent people who decide that they can't fight it.

If you think this doesn't sound like justice, I absolutely agree.

Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by giantg2 on Sunday October 23, 2022 @08:05AM (#33306308)
"and instead have your case decided by the judge."

Oh God no. This is even worse. In my limited experience, judges can be very biased. They tend to be very unaccommodating as to what reasonable doubt is (it's whatever they say it is).

Re:Yet another scientific body has debunked bitemark analysis by dsfyu404ed on Friday October 21, 2022 @08:05AM (#33287127)
>Then it's up to the jury to decide which is more believable.

And anyone who the prosecutor will stereotype as potentially having too much critical thinking skills or skepticism of the prosecution will get tossed from the jury.