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Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by Waterluvian on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @10:16AM (#33262542)
Kind of this.

I don't think it's "care less" but I think it's "care appropriately for 40 hours a week."

The concept of "quiet quitting" is a shameful, panicky fraud perpetuated by the power holders in the industry that see their power slipping. "Quiet quitting" has been known as "work to rule" or "fulfilling a contract." My paystub says 40 hours. My original contract says nothing about overtime. I'm not quiet quitting, I'm doing my !@#$ing job.

By being STRICTLY limited to 40 hours, I can do my job at full strength, providing consistent results and quality. And then I'm not so burned out that I go home and do whatever I please with my life. Sometimes that's more coding for me!

My job is a side quest, not a main quest.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by tapanjk on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @10:26AM (#33262716)
> My job is a side quest, not a main quest.

Even if it were your main quest, I think the strategy you outline is worth following. Going all out is what causes burnout, and that applies to whether you are working for yourself or for someone else, and also whether you are working a job or working on your passion.

A career is like an ultra marathon -- maintain a sustainable pace, and run with people you like to spend time with.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by greyhair on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @10:39AM (#33262903)
This ^^^^. I am in my thirty ninth year in embedded development, started the year I turned 27. (yeah, do the math) I have strictly limited myself to 40 hour weeks following a severe burnout in the late 1990s.

I could retire now, if I had to, but I hope to do this for another three to five years. It is just far too interesting and fun. I had an older coworker that worked full time until he was 74. He also just enjoyed the work and the people he worked with.

It is a marathon, and change is constant, which makes it more interesting than a lot of careers in the long run. Plan for the long run, and make room to live your life all along the way.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by artificial on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:30PM (#33264545)
Right on! Do you have any resources to share that you've found excellent such as books or articles? Any projects you've enjoyed? Do you hack with any of the new languages? Do you have a blog? I'm always curious and work in the web space and think this sounds interesting. Thank you!
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by ornornor on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @02:34PM (#33266148)
Not who you asked, but I found this course and considering doing it: https://www.udemy.com/course/mcu_msp430/
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by coldpie on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @10:54AM (#33263114)
And definitely do not put any kind of work contact on your phone. If people are texting your private number, ignore it until you are back on the clock, or even consider blocking them. If you're not on the clock, you're not reachable. If they want you reachable, that's called "being on call" and is a separate negotiation involving higher wages and agreed-upon hours.
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by smel on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @11:01AM (#33263245)
When it comes to health and well being f*ck what's appropriate do whatever you can get away with ... just do not put life or well being of other people in harm ways
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by artificial on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:31PM (#33264564)
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by onemoresoop on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @04:11PM (#33267372)
This is so funny, totally made my day
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by artificial on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @05:26PM (#33268134)
"Do nutting." :D
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by syveen on Saturday October 22, 2022 @01:52AM (#33295927)
I really enjoyed, thank you. lol
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by spacemadness on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:06PM (#33264187)
It’s interesting to see the shift on HN from hustle/burnout culture to wiser takes on work life balance. The startup culture in the Bay burned a hole in my soul at one point with its 80+ hour a week puritan laden virtue signaling.
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by steve_slammin on Thursday October 20, 2022 @02:33PM (#33278780)
We're growing up!
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by brayhite on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @01:13PM (#33265095)
This 100%. I got burned out by the classic case of working at a startup from pre-seed round. After two or three years or so of working virtually every single day, including between leisure activities on “days off” and almost always “on call” replying to emails and DMs, I just stopped. I didn’t reply at absurd hours, even if I knew the answer or had something to say. I didn’t spend hours outside of work thinking about work anymore.

Over time, I started putting more time into properly decompressing from work at the end of the day so I didn’t feel stressed about the next day.

I get burned out from time to time still, but it’s much more “in the moment” burn out vs systemic burn out.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by celestialcheese on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @01:57PM (#33265698)
> The concept of "quiet quitting" is a shameful, panicky fraud perpetuated by the power holders in the industry that see their power slipping

Is it?

I always took "Quiet Quitting" to mean, "Lets see how long I can do nothing until I get fired", not "Work to Rule" or "work your pay", or whatever.

I've seen this "Work 5 hours a week sporadically answering slack and see how long till they notice I produce nothing" before, and it's surprising how long I've seen people get away from doing basically 0 work and continue drawing a paycheck.

I think it's largely because most companies don't properly manage a remote teams. It happens when they don't understand how to properly set results-based expectations and deadlines for remote work.

But it's also a huge middle-finger to your teammates who may still care about their work and job, and having dead-weight on the team is demoralizing.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by Waterluvian on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @02:00PM (#33265727)
That would basically just be “fraud” IMO. Maybe others can chime in but I’ve only seen quiet quitting described as “not going above and beyond anymore. Just doing the minimal job.”
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by bjourne on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @06:31PM (#33268689)
Can you give some details on where you saw this "work 5 hours a week" thing? I have never seen anything like that in my career. I have seen incompetent colleagues who worked hard but produced less than 5 hours of useful work per week though.
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by celestialcheese on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @06:37PM (#33268745)
I found out through a friend they had started a new job, and instead of turning in notice, they just rode it out for a few months taking multiple paychecks. Look around on r/overemployed on reddit for a lot more examples of the mindset that does this type of thing.
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by smcl on Thursday October 20, 2022 @03:48AM (#33271893)
I'd take what you read on subreddits like this with a pinch of salt. A lot of people like to embellish or flat-out lie to either fit in, sound cool or to provoke a reaction (see "am I the asshole").
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by celestialcheese on Thursday October 20, 2022 @03:28PM (#33279470)
:shrug: there's definitely role-playing in there, but anecdotally, I know 2 close friends who did this during Covid and had 2-3 full-time jobs in non-software roles.

So I imagine the percentage of role-playing in r/overemployeed is less than 50%.

That's a non-trivial number of people, and I'd bet if you work for a large company, there's a non-trivial of people doing this now. (See the thread about Experion firing contractors with multiple jobs[1])

1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33198708

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone managed to find enjoyment in their wor... by juve1996 on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @08:21PM (#33269446)
Companies don't know hot to manage in office teams either. So many people walk in, do nothing all day, complain, are awful to work with, etc.