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A comment on John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a kiss-and-tell.

Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by W-Stool on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @04:58PM (#33253834)
I have a large book collection and one of the cornerstones is a first edition of every John le Carre book published. I've read them all, and while he is probably best known for "Tinker Tailor ..." and "Smiley's People", I found "The Perfect Spy" to be just an exceptional work of literature - and at times it is also autobiographical (his father was a con man). I'm not surprised he was at times profoundly unhappy - in my experience, many highly creative people never find contentment.

The TV miniseries of "Tinker Tailor ...", "Smiley's People", "The Perfect Spy", and "The Night Manager" are just amazingly well done and highly recommended.

RIP David Cornwell.

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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by madrox on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:31PM (#33254292)
I watch Smiley's People with Alec Guinness once a year. You can't make film like that today.
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by lqet on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:34PM (#33254322)
Definitely. I think it is even better than "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" (also with Alec Guinness). The execution, the acting, the plot, the screenplay, everything is just marvelous.
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by W-Stool on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @06:37PM (#33255025)
The scene with Toby Esterhase and George Smiley in the basement office of Toby's gallery is one of my favorite scenes on film of all time.
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by madrox on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @08:14PM (#33255817)
Alec Guinness was a master at not overplaying a role
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by zeruch on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:14PM (#33257147)
I watch it in part or whole, monthly (sometimes I swap it for the film, or for Smileys People...once I swapped it for The Night Manager, but that wasn't as comforting).
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by philosopher1234 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:35PM (#33254334)
I read Call for the Dead and unfortunately found it pretty boring. Do you think I would probably also find Smileys People boring?
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by Mizza on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:43PM (#33254442)
The best is "The Spy Who Came In From the Cold". It's a short read but a wallop of an ending.
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by thakoppno on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:47PM (#33254482)
Interesting I’m about eighty pages into it and was beginning to question the Le Carré hype.
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by taude on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @06:12PM (#33254748)
His style and pace is a lot different than the modern genre writers like Vince Flynn, Lee Child, and even Ludlum (though Ludlam was of similar age) which excel at fast plot driven stories. A lot of Le Carre's stuff is from the '60s and '70s, and I'm not sure how well it actually ages. (I haven't read him since 1990ish, and I've been wanting to read the Tinker series, just never got past the first chapter.)

I remember that even the movie version of The Russia house was a little slow, and it came out on the tail end of the cold war era.

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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by ghaff on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @08:41AM (#33261264)
I admit I was always much more in the Ludlum camp when I was reading the genre 20-30 years ago. I've read Le Carre and watched the films but, while I could appreciate what his admirers were saying, I never really got into him.
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by jhbadger on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @11:13AM (#33263418)
Ludlum's books are pure escapism, similar to the James Bond books. Le Carre's books are much more realistic describing how espionage is really done, which is mostly paperwork and interviewing people. Which admittedly is less exciting than gunfights and car chases.
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by ghaff on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:20PM (#33264408)
Totally. I just never really got into them.
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by simplicio on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:24PM (#33255448)
FWIW: I didn't like it either, but really enjoyed "Tinker.." and "Smiley's People".
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by madrox on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @08:13PM (#33255811)
FWIW, I've been in your boat most of my life. The only reason I kept revisiting it was because my dad was a huge fan. I really started appreciating the pace and nuance as I got into my late thirties. Nothing in these stories spell anything out to you, so you have to do the work to get in their heads. It's why spies are so fascinating.
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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by thakoppno on Thursday October 20, 2022 @10:53PM (#33283895)
I finished the book this afternoon and must concede I enjoyed it.

I do wonder if it would have been possible to figure out the conclusion by getting sufficiently into the characters’ heads?

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Re:John le Carré's private life, revealed in letters and a k... by porknubbins on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @08:58PM (#33256114)
Maybe try A Perfect Spy. Le Carre’s novels are certainly not thrillers, more like anti-thrillers. I think of the whole spy thing as a metaphor for the ways that humans lie, conceal and hurt others.
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