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Re:Americans' Trust in Media Remains Near Record Low by afavour on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @04:45PM (#33253639)
> I wish "the media" would go back to reporting the news instead of repeating talking points.

I see this said a lot but I don't think that's a simple request, assuming what we're really saying here is "objective facts, not opinions". There's a finite amount of news you can report so which objective facts you choose to show your readers is in itself a subjective decision of "newsworthiness". And how do you present that news to your audience? Anything other than a chronological list of events (which would be an awful user experience) requires subjective judgement of importance.

I’m also very dubious that you could build a sustainable business around such an idea. I think a lot of people say they want objective news but when presented with a choice they’ll favour media that caters to their existing biases.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of garbage media out there today and it can absolutely get better. But I think people are striving for an entirely objective media that simply doesn't exist, and never has.

Re:Americans' Trust in Media Remains Near Record Low by dylan604 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:11PM (#33254052)
>There's a finite amount of news you can report

Maybe we don't need 18 different 24/7 "news" channels? That's why we have these "filler" programs.

>But I think people are striving for an entirely objective media that simply doesn't exist, and never has.

News isn't sexy. News doesn't sell. Stoking emotions does, and that's why we are where we are. Even in the days of the newspaper, the OpEd section is what got attention.

Re:Americans' Trust in Media Remains Near Record Low by afavour on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:22PM (#33254189)
Everyone loves to complain about 24/7 cable news (I do too, I hate it) but the actual audience numbers for the stuff is pretty low, all things considered. It’s the super incendiary stuff spreading across Facebook like wildfire that causes the real problems, IMO.
Re:Americans' Trust in Media Remains Near Record Low by the_af on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @06:53PM (#33255155)
> Maybe we don't need 18 different 24/7 "news" channels? That's why we have these "filler" programs.

Note in this context, "there's a finite number of news you can report", means the constraint is you (the reporter), not the news. The news is effectively infinite, it's the organization doing the reporting the one which has a finite "bandwidth" and must pick and choose, introducing unavoidable subjectivity in the process.

So there may be "filler programs", but the reason for them is not that there are not enough actual news to report.

Re:Americans' Trust in Media Remains Near Record Low by danjoredd on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:01PM (#33253897)
Its a problem with the 24/hr newscycle. Back in the day you would hear the news at 6 on your television, or on your radio. Now, due to the constant need for content, news has gotten more extreme. Fox and CNN need something constantly on their channels, news sites need constant content on their websites, etc. The news at 6 is no longer a thing, and that fact feels like it has hurt just about everything
Re:Americans' Trust in Media Remains Near Record Low by the_af on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:08PM (#33253992)
I think the comment you are replying to is saying that "the news" cannot be reported on objectively simply because there is more "news" that can be reported on than any given news organization's available bandwidth (with print papers this is immediately obvious, since the limitation is physical space; but it also affects any other medium).

The act of choosing what to report and what to leave out is a subjective act, just like the same photo cropped differently can tell opposite stories!

So there is yellow and bad journalism, but even "good" journalism cannot be objective.

Re:Americans' Trust in Media Remains Near Record Low by danjoredd on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:40PM (#33254402)
I agree with them, but local "news at 6" shows tend to feel more balanced when I watch them, because they only have about 30 to 60 minutes to report what they need. Only the most important stuff can be reported, due to the inherent restrictions of the medium. Its not perfect. Like you said choosing not to report something is a bias in itself, and local news shows aren't exempt of this. But also, they have an incentive to report stories that their area will find significant, so I prefer it
Re:Americans' Trust in Media Remains Near Record Low by HKH2 on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @08:11PM (#33255796)
> There's a finite amount of news you can report so which objective facts you choose to show your readers is in itself a subjective decision of "newsworthiness".

That applies to fact checkers too. Anything ideologically inconvenient will be ignored.

> Anything other than a chronological list of events (which would be an awful user experience) requires subjective judgement of importance.

How is getting a list of things that have happened each day awful? What's better than RSS?