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Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by malfist on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:12PM (#33249643)
You sure showed them! I bet that advance auto manager thought real hard about asking anybody else to....sweep.

I'm glad you realized your hands were too important to be callused by a broom

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by peteradio on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:23PM (#33249847)
Quite snarky, heres my story. Worked at a big box home improvement store as a 15 year old kid on checkout. Someone literally shit diarrhea all over the floor, the store manager asked literally everyone in the store to clean it up including me, everyone refused, he ended up cleaning it himself. Some things are not part of the job!!!
Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by malfist on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @12:52PM (#33250365)
There's a difference between being asked to clean up potential biohazards and being asked to push a broom for a few minutes and up and ripping your shirt off and quitting over it.
Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by II2II on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:12PM (#33250696)
The thing is, the mess had to be cleaned up and the manager did it after everyone else refused. There are limits, sure. You need proper equipment to clean up such a mess because it is a health and safety issue. I can also understand why no one would want to step up. When everyone else is a refuses the job, stepping up is a good way to end up being the one called upon to do it in the future. But the reality is that people were probably refusing because they didn't want carry their weight.

But kudos on the manager. He realized that it had to be done, then went ahead and did it without ordering anyone else to do so.

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:11PM (#33250683)
seriously, while I understand and agree with the sentiment in general, you're a clerk at a small store, sweeping the parking lot doesn't seem outside of your duties.
Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by mindcrime on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:41PM (#33251132)
But it doesn't matter what you think my duties are. And it didn't matter what my manager thought my duties were. It mattered what I thought they were. And on that day, considering the circumstances (some shit job I'm working for barely more than minimum wage as I work my way through college) I chose to decide that sweeping the parking lot was not an acceptable duty. Maybe I would have chosen differently if I'd desperately needed that job to feed a family, but that just goes to show that our lines are somewhat situation dependent.
Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:18PM (#33252494)
I'm sure you're a hoot to work with, but personally I'd rather be around people who have the humbleness to avoid thinking sweeping a parking lot was beneath them.

If you can't take pride in a job well done as a store clerk, why the hell does anyone think you'll take pride in a job well done as a developer? That motivation is internal.

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by adave on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:00PM (#33255210)
Seriously you must be so fun to work with.It's a person's choice and there is no pride in being a low paid worker, get over yourself.
Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by abiloe on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:54PM (#33256960)
> If you can't take pride in a job well done as a store clerk, why the hell does anyone think you'll take pride in a job well done as a developer? That motivation is internal.

This is an absurd argument. They have nothing to do with each other. If you'd rather be a store clerk then why should expect you to have much motivation or competence to be a developer?

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by RobRivera on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:46PM (#33252856)
I'm getting the impression many are not entering into good faith discussion on understanding your perspective and attempting to not only invalidate your experience, but to also cast judgement.
Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by mindcrime on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:55PM (#33252950)
This is HN, it's expected. :-)
Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by adave on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @06:59PM (#33255203)
Yeah these people have not worked these jobs and the type of thing workers already have to do on the regular like cleaning pee on the shop floor. I agree cleaning that parking lot was a power control move and things just would have gotten worse as they were probably going to use you to make an example of.
Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:29PM (#33255493)
wrong. I've been homeless and have worked many many factory jobs in my life, including chicken factories and I promise you that shit is worse than sweeping up pee from a floor.

There's a word for people who throw tantrum's and walk off of a clerk job because they were asked to sweep a parking lot: privileged.

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by malfist on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @02:57PM (#33252203)
Right? What was advanced auto supposed to do? Hire a person specifically for cleaning the parking lot?

There's a reason job postings all say "And other duties as assigned"

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by mindcrime on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:52PM (#33252918)
Hire a person specifically for cleaning the parking lot?

Or do what everybody else does, and contract with one of those companies that comes through a couple of nights a week with one of those parking lot sweeping trucks?

The thing is, to a first approximation, nobody asks employees to go out and sweep the god-damn parking lot with a broom. This particular manager was just being a dick for the sake of being a dick. And I'm not somebody you can bully like that, because I will happily tell you to go fuck yourself and walk out. shrug

There's a reason job postings all say "And other duties as assigned"

And do you actually think that people take that to literally mean anything? Is there no task whatsoever that you would refuse to do? If so, I'd say you are a very strange person, as most people in my experience do have a line. That line is going to vary a lot from person to person, but I don't think I know a single person who would honestly say "Yes, I will do anything for my boss based on that clause in the job description."

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by jimmygrapes on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @05:59PM (#33254614)
Here is the missing piece of the tale: why did the manager want the parking lot swept?

I've been in a shitload of positions where I was assigned menial tasks for a variety of reasons. In some of those. positions I could say no without drama, in some I could quit, in some I could say "Yes sir/ma'am", in some I could delegate, in some I could outsource. In every case, I could respectfully and tactfully ask why.

"Is there any specific area that needs extra attention?"

"Will somebody else be covering my standard duties while I do this?"

"Is this going to be part of my regular duties or is this just to keep me busy?"

... and so on. Tone matters depending on the relationship you have with the manager. But a violent reactive act and profanity doesn't seem like the best way regardless of how righteous you feel years down the road.

I wouldn't hire you if this was your "tell me about a time you dealt with adversity in the workplace" interview answer, that's for sure.

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by P5fRxh5kUvp2th on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @07:36PM (#33255554)
rawr, you showed him! how dare he ... uhhhhh ... ask you to sweep with a broom.... yeah, that dickhead.

What next, will he ask you to go grab shopping carts?!?!

Despite your rationalization, it's not uncommon to have the parking lot cleaned up and swept on a regular basis. I've done it for restaurants I worked at as a teenager, for example.

Your problem is being too sensitive.

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by mixmastamyk on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:05PM (#33257069)
At a restaurant we had to sweep the parking lot once in a while. Not the whole thing mind you. We had a short broom and a container on a stick with a swivel to sweep trash into. (name?). It was really spot cleaning.

Was a decent change of pace, didn’t mind it. Would have done it as long as mgr wasn’t a jerk about it.

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by ManlyBread on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @04:27AM (#33259220)
>What was advanced auto supposed to do? Hire a person specifically for cleaning the parking lot?

That's for the business owner to figure out, why would OP even want to concern himself with stuff like this?

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by mindcrime on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:39PM (#33251101)
I bet that advance auto manager thought real hard about asking anybody else to....sweep.

The thing is, I didn't then, nor do I now, care about what he thought hard about or not. That wasn't the point. I just wasn't going to be the one doing it. What happened beyond that is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned.

Re:Tell HN: Beware 'Ungrowth' in Your Job by mindcrime on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @01:43PM (#33251171)
I'm glad you realized your hands were too important to be callused by a broom

You misunderstand. I have no problem sweeping. If he'd asked me to sweep in the store, that would have been fine. I did that pretty much every day anyway. It was more that the *fucking parking lot* doesn't need to be swept in the first place. It's a parking lot! This guy was just being a jackoff, which is why my response was as seemingly hyperbolic as it was.

Sorry, that's my fault for eliding some details in the story, because I was in a hurry earlier.