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Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by rrdharan on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:25AM (#33246739)
What’s funny is they’ll end up selling it to some IAC-type conglomerate with a huge data brokering business, and far poorer security and privacy practices, but which will escape the eye of lazy regulators who will keep looking to target splashy American brand names to score political points.
Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by groovybits on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:36AM (#33246895)
> far poorer security and privacy practices

Poorer than Meta? Is that even possible?

Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by tfsh on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:41AM (#33246969)
> poorer security. likely so, Meta does have thousands of competent engineers, ensuring their data remains exactly where they want it to be
Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by youngNed on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:55AM (#33247171)
> Meta does have thousands of competent engineers, ensuring their data remains exactly where they want it to be

do they, aye? https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/security/meta-probe-533-...

Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by charcircuit on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @11:33AM (#33248898)
Practically every website is vulnerable to an attacker scraping it. If you give people information it's hard to stop them from saving that information.
Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by BaseballPhysics on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:03PM (#33252299)
> Meta does have thousands of competent engineers, ensuring their data remains exactly where they want it to be

Meta's own employees testified that it would be impossible to enumerate and locate all the data they're either collecting or synthesizing about their users.

So you'll forgive me if I don't really believe you.

Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by Kilenaitor on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @12:21PM (#33264432)
No. They testified that a single person wouldn't be able to.

> The court-appointed expert asked who at Facebook would be able to answer the question: where is all the information on a single user stored. > > "I don't believe there's a single person that exists who could answer that question. It would take a significant team effort to even be able to answer that question," answered Zarashaw.

https://www.businessinsider.com/meta-doesnt-know-where-all-y...

Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by BaseballPhysics on Wednesday October 19, 2022 @02:27PM (#33266047)
Frankly, that's a distinction without a difference.

A governance policy is only as good as your ability to identify and enumerate your data, their provenance, their location, access controls, etc.

If no one person can do that job, it means they aren't actually tracking that information in a way that it can be holistically assessed, audited, etc.

Going to the original article that Business Insider cribbed from (which, of course, elides a lot of fascinating detail, because BI isn't a news source, it's an aggregator for people without attention spans): https://theintercept.com/2022/09/07/facebook-personal-data-n...

We find that this is supported by an internal Facebook document where an insider stated that:

> “We do not have an adequate level of control and explainability over how our systems use data, and thus we can’t confidently make controlled policy changes or external commitments such as ‘we will not use X data for Y purpose,’”

Which makes sense given one of their engineers noted:

> “It is rare for there to exist artifacts and diagrams on how those systems are then used and what data actually flows through them,”

With one specific example given regarding their ad tracking:

> “It would take multiple teams on the ad side to track down exactly the — where the data flows. I would be surprised if there’s even a single person that can answer that narrow question conclusively.”

So, to sum up: no one person can determine what data they're collecting. There is a profound lack of internal documentation and knowledge about how data is processed and where it flows. And Facebook themselves admits they can neither control nor explain how systems use that data.

And I'm supposed to believe that "Meta does have thousands of competent engineers, ensuring their data remains exactly where they want it to be"?

Please.

Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by rrdharan on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @09:53AM (#33247150)
This is exactly the problem.

Plenty of folks who’ve worked at small startups that haven’t faced regulatory scrutiny can tell you about how poor the common data handling practices are relative to the major leagues.

e.g. unilateral write access (no multiparty approvals), no TTLs or deletion guarantees, overly broad access, stale / unmaintained ACLs, copies of production data all over the place, supply chain vulnerabilities, lack of mTLS / endpoint security, etc. etc.

The upside (for end users) of big brand names being big targets is they have a lot more to lose than your average startup that no one will remember when it folds and sells its data.

Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by baby on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @10:17AM (#33247548)
I’ve worked at Meta and I can imagine that other companies have worse security in general yeah. I think people here have a glamorous idea of how companies run security. Most companies don’t even have security teams.
Re:Facebook owner Meta to sell Giphy after UK watchdog confi... by BaseballPhysics on Tuesday October 18, 2022 @03:01PM (#33252265)
Most companies don't have Meta's dragon's hoard of personal data.

Meta is essentially a surveillance company, with the incredible caveat that they no longer know what data they're collecting.