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Re:The Shameful Cancellation of Jihad Rehab by 2Gkashmiri on Saturday October 15, 2022 @07:28AM (#33213858)
yeah.. the holy prophet was proposed by his boss at the time to marry her. She was older than him, more wealthy and he was "an employee" and yet he accepted her proposal. Talks about "women should not be allowed to go out" or even "her earnings is not halal for the family", yet when in the early days of islam, she spent her wealth for her own family and for the religion.

So apparently according to these people, the Same holy prophet would order an army to not hurt the children, women, elderly, someone who surrenders and not even trees and yet would order killing of a poetess? Abu lahb, the one for which there is an entire chapter of quran on, actually caused so much suffering to the holy prophet that Allah had to send down a chapter against him and yet the holy prophet did not "order him to be killed" or that time when allegations against Aisha surfaced. Wasn't the holy prophet himself accused of being a poet during the early days of his preaching?

Re:The Shameful Cancellation of Jihad Rehab by iniekaas on Saturday October 15, 2022 @08:33AM (#33214217)
Abu Lahab could’ve destroyed Islam by simply becoming Muslim after that chapter came down; a simple counter that’d yield contradiction, yet he didn’t. His pride mattered much. That “weak point” was there, exposed to strike at, and it was recognized by the pagan Arabs around Abu Lahab, who was regarded as a nemesis of Islam (he earned eternal damnation, eh?)

It was honourable at the time for someone like Khadijah bint Khuwaylid to marry a man from Abu Taleb’s lineage, and both lineages were greatly regarded. Nowadays, lineage isn’t something that matters much.

Re:The Shameful Cancellation of Jihad Rehab by 2Gkashmiri on Saturday October 15, 2022 @10:15AM (#33215046)
>Nowadays, lineage isn’t something that matters much.

they call it "caste" in indian subcontinent and unlike what the indian hindu ideology is around their caste system, everyone assumes that islamic lineage taking is same as hindu caste division which is not it.

Re:The Shameful Cancellation of Jihad Rehab by candiodari on Saturday October 15, 2022 @12:35PM (#33216220)
It is incredible how you guys turn this around. It is generally accepted that "the prophet" ordered the killing of Asma Bint Marwan specifically for what she said (or sang, I guess). He also had muslims execute prisoners for minor offences by letting them starve in the desert or having horses slowly trample their faces while being run over them again and again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asma_bint_Marwan

Ayatollah Khomeini SPECIFICALLY pointed this action out when ordering Salman Rushdie killed, so there is even a direct connection. And while you might not respect Khomeini ... I'm willing to bet a lot he knows more about islam than your whole family put together, and he's certainly not trying to please "the west".

"The prophet" was also a warlord that conquered territory.

I think everybody with any ounce of respect for the truth can agree: this was not, in any way, shape or form, a peaceful man. Insofar as that is criticism of Islam that is valid criticism.

But very few religions were peaceful at the time of their founding. Hinduism started with "a great war". Buddhism started with a war. Christianity started with a war, it was just a war against Christians, and eventually Christians took the offensive like good religious zealots keep doing. Judaism, seems to have started with a war. I'm sure the same is at least mostly true even for forgotten religions.

Re:The Shameful Cancellation of Jihad Rehab by anonair on Saturday October 15, 2022 @04:23PM (#33218269)
And your source for Islam is Ayatollah? He is not even a sunni. The point is he directly/indirectly benefits from misrepresenting the Prophet
Re:The Shameful Cancellation of Jihad Rehab by candiodari on Monday October 17, 2022 @06:48AM (#33231831)
See the list of sources on the wikipedia page. Plenty of Sunni sources. And it's not like the prophet did this once ...
Re:The Shameful Cancellation of Jihad Rehab by sudhirc on Saturday October 15, 2022 @07:50PM (#33219751)
> Hinduism started with "a great war". Buddhism started with a war.

This is an interesting take on Hinduism and Buddhism. I am assuming you are referring to Great Wars of Ramayana and Mahabharata. Everyone participating in those was were the followers of Sanatan Dharma which is known as Hinduism today. Both wars weren't fought of religious ground. Buddhism started with Siddhartha noticing dukkha (pain) of life and leaving home to find solution.

What are your sources?

Re:The Shameful Cancellation of Jihad Rehab by dang on Saturday October 15, 2022 @10:50PM (#33220658)
Please don't take HN threads further into religious flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.
Re:The Shameful Cancellation of Jihad Rehab by dang on Saturday October 15, 2022 @10:50PM (#33220656)
Please don't take HN threads further into religious flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.
Re:The Shameful Cancellation of Jihad Rehab by dang on Saturday October 15, 2022 @10:47PM (#33220640)
Please don't take HN threads further into religious flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.