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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by darth_avocado on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:00PM (#33208182)
I am willing to bet it is illegal fishing boats from countries I dare not to list for being downvoted. It is well known that some countries list a few hundred boats but in reality have fleets of tens of thousands of boats that operate under the radar. They over fish and destroy entire ecosystems and no one is doing anything about it.
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by krastanov on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:05PM (#33208233)
But China is overfishing in the public, not "under the radar", and they usually only go up to someones territorial waters, do not completely cross. Moreover, I very much doubt they would dare do so to a semi-powerful western state, let alone the US. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/insider/a-clear-look-at-c...
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by ROTMetro on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:31PM (#33209046)
I remember chilling north coast of Santa Cruz late one night after a surf sesh, and boats pulling up to shore, unloading people and other items. This was right about when (was it Golden Budda?) in Soquel got busted for smuggling chinese machine guns? Sure they cross territorial waters.

(Man I was bummed. They had the best hot and sour soup.)

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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by woodruffw on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:07PM (#33208243)
Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is this just xenophobic speculation?

China’s encroachment on sovereign waters for fishing is one thing when it’s against South American countries with small navies; it’s another thing entirely when it’s the US. I doubt they’re behind this.

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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by vnchr on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:17PM (#33208362)
Is it xenophobic when your own comment cites that exact behavior?
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by logicalmonster on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:24PM (#33208408)
Why are you assuming that the poster is hinting at China when his comment didn't mention the country?
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by dmix on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:40PM (#33208579)
Portuguese fisherman were the big thing off the coast of Canada. Definitely not unique to China, although they seem to use fishing boats as a political tool like Russia uses little green men. But that's closer to their shores.
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by jjk166 on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:38PM (#33208554)
How many states are there with access to pacific waters that could potentially have thousands of unregistered fishing vessels and whom a poster would be uncomfortable naming explicitly for fear of backlash?
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by logicalmonster on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:04PM (#33208776)
Seems odd that this is a logical guess, but then that's labelled as "xenophobic speculation".
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by jjk166 on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:35PM (#33209079)
It's a logical guess that the only country that could have thousands of unregistered ships would be china, one of the worlds leading industrial powers with a large pacific coastline. It's xenophobic speculation that china does in fact have these ships and specifically are the cause of this population collapsing.
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by samatman on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:53PM (#33209259)
This is widely known, just not to you.

Calling names won't change that.

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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by NSMutableSet on Friday October 14, 2022 @06:22PM (#33209502)
Japan's pacific coastline is twice as large as China's. Your logic here is extremely faulty.
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by heavyset_go on Friday October 14, 2022 @07:40PM (#33210083)
Japan engages in illegal fishing all over the Pacific.
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by virgildotcodes on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:39PM (#33208563)
It's kind of an obvious dog whistle, come on.
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by outworlder on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:53PM (#33208686)
If the shoe fits...
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by vore on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:13PM (#33208860)
Tell me what other country the OP could possibly mean when they said "countries I dare not to list for being downvoted".
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by logicalmonster on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:23PM (#33208956)
China seems like a logical guess, but that statement could describe Israel or other countries that have very passionate supporters as well.
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by josegonzalez on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:33PM (#33209057)
I don't think it could mean Israel given that we're talking about the Bering Strait and not the Mediterranean or Red Sea.
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by fwip on Friday October 14, 2022 @07:19PM (#33209942)
Sure, if you think Israel is well known for overfishing in the Pacific Ocean?
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by woodruffw on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:26PM (#33208989)
China has been the subject of multiple high-profile news stories (and popular HN threads) about overfishing. They’re also the standard xenophobic bugbear on HN.
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by stjohnswarts on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:31PM (#33209042)
China is by far overfishing all over the world compared to other countries. I doubt the Alaskan crabs are a result of that though. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/aug/25/can-anyo...
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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by pphysch on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:06PM (#33208241)
Or there are corrupt fishery regulators who are giving wild overestimations of fish population in return for kickbacks from fishery associations/cartels.

If it was the Big Bad, there would be political uproar. But if it was good ole corruption, it would be business as usual.

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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by Supermancho on Friday October 14, 2022 @04:37PM (#33208531)
> They over fish and destroy entire ecosystems and no one is doing anything about it.

That's not just hyperbole, it's flat wrong. Some organizations try to do things about it, even if the methodologies have historically been ineffective. Nobody would be able to completely solve it, while the Oceans are still largely uncontrolled.

https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-oceans/news/2022/06/gover...

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Re:Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of a... by stjohnswarts on Friday October 14, 2022 @05:26PM (#33208993)
If there were enough boats out there to reduce the population 90% in two years then we would know. Our radar isn't -that- bad.
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