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Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by dathinab on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:30AM (#33203987)
so basically:

- it wouldn't be a problem if Apple did use USB-C, because "good enough" USB-C chargers are "everywhere" (e.g. come with your laptop, tablet, previous phone, etc.). And aren't too expensive either.

Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by galad87 on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:34AM (#33204046)
Apple already bundles a USB-C to Lighting cable with the iPhones, so every USB-C charger is already good enough.
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by jaywalk on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:36AM (#33204085)
They certainly don't do that in the US.
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by matwood on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:42AM (#33204174)
Huh? Every iPhone for sale on Apples site today includes a usb-c to lightning cable. It works with all my usb-c chargers from other companies.
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by jaywalk on Friday October 14, 2022 @11:10AM (#33204582)
Well, don't I look like an ass. I haven't even pulled the cable out of the box in years, but I just checked the cable in the box from my iPhone 14 Pro and sure enough, it was USB-C to Lightning.
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by galad87 on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:42AM (#33204183)
They do, it's written on every iPhone page on apple.com.
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by pwinnski on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:48AM (#33204262)
My recently-purchased iPhone came with just such a cable. You are confidently incorrect.
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by Nursie on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:36AM (#33204084)
USB-C male to Lightning Male though?

The Apple charger I got with my Macbook Air is the only charger with usb-c female I've ever had. USB-A male to Lightning male or USB-C female to Lightning male would probable be better.

Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by Pasorrijer on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:41AM (#33204160)
Almost all modern chargers utilize USB-C female, at least from the major brands (Anker, Ugreen etc.)

Almost all cables have either USB-C male to USB-C male, or USB-C male to something else.

Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by Nursie on Friday October 14, 2022 @11:37AM (#33204975)
Yet I have a variety of usb-c chargers which are not like this, that have a male end only. They are for phones for laptops, for my Switch, for a variety of things.
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by crazygringo on Friday October 14, 2022 @12:14PM (#33205462)
Can you post a link to any of those products?

A USB charger that is male would be so unusual, I can't even imagine what it would physically look like.

Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by Nursie on Friday October 14, 2022 @12:20PM (#33205538)
Do you have a nintendo switch? The one that comes with it is like that - https://store.nintendo.com.au/au/nintendo-switch-ac-adapter....

See also Lenovo laptop chargers - https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/p/accessories-and-software/char...

I have a bunch of things like this around the house. I'm not trying to deny the existence of usb-c female power adapters, but IMHO they are a more recent phenomenon than usb-a female power adapters, and the male-ended usb-c power adapters that ship with many devices.

I'm not trying to justify whatever's going on in Brazil, but usb-c female to lightning or usb-a male to lightning would be generally easier to accomodate, for me. I also have (for instance) usb-a female sockets in the car.

Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by crazygringo on Friday October 14, 2022 @12:56PM (#33206049)
Oh, I see what you mean now.

Those are chargers that have an integrated cable that of course ends in male.

I really didn't know those still existed. It seems like such atrocious design -- the vast, vast majority of consumer electronics has moved to separating the charger and cable when using USB, precisely so you can reuse chargers and replace worn cables. I'm pretty shocked Nintendo and Lenovo are so backwards on this. Is there really a significant cost savings or something for them? It's so user-hostile.

Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by ars on Friday October 14, 2022 @01:07PM (#33206206)
I have a charger like that, I bought it when USB C cables were extremely expensive. So buying a charger with an integrated cable saved me a lot of money.
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by Nursie on Saturday October 15, 2022 @03:51AM (#33212738)
I do have a lot of chargers with the female port right on them, but they’re all A ports
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by dathinab on Saturday October 15, 2022 @04:12PM (#33218192)
Both Lenovo and Nintendo did that initially because in the relatively early days of USB-C there had been quite a bunch of incorrectly produced USB-C cables on Amazone which kill your device.

Through it is without question pretty user hostile that they haven't updated their design wrt. this aspect in recent years.

Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by antihero on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:42AM (#33204171)
Yes, like almost every cable, male to male. Also almost every USB-C charger is female.
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by Nursie on Friday October 14, 2022 @11:40AM (#33205017)
But it’s not though, most laptops and most phones seem to have come with a usb-c male connector for years.
Re:Apple gets $19M fine in Brazil for not selling iPhones wi... by major505 on Friday October 14, 2022 @10:57AM (#33204384)
USB-C is just now starting to be popular in Brasil. Most notebooks here use proprietary chargers.

USB-C notebooks are still very expensive here. I just brought a new Dell Inspiron. IT have greate specs but still uses the old dell charger.