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Re:Heaviest element yet detected in an exoplanet atmosphere by cjensen on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:28PM (#33198973)
Because Occam's Razor.

Absorption spectrums have never let us down, and are used all the time.

For this one place in the universe to have an exotic particle with an adsorption spectrum is pretty much impossible. To have an adsorption spectrum that is an exact mach for Barium is just adding a second impossible on top of the first.

Given the choice between something surprising and a doubly-impossible phenomena, the choice is clear.

Re:Heaviest element yet detected in an exoplanet atmosphere by nwiswell on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:37PM (#33199026)
> Absorption spectrums have never let us down

Devil's advocate: we have never had the chance to actually verify an exoplanet absorption spectrum. Could be that they are letting us down every time.

In this solar system, yes, absorption spectrums seem to be reliable. Anywhere else is extrapolation.

Re:Heaviest element yet detected in an exoplanet atmosphere by raydiatian on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:38PM (#33199032)
How many years until we verify? 100? 1,000? 10,000?
Re:Heaviest element yet detected in an exoplanet atmosphere by c1ccccc1 on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:04PM (#33199173)
Sounds like something we could check empirically. Some cosmic rays are protons from outside of the solar system. We could capture those and compare them with local protons to see if they're actually the same kind of particle. (We can check if two particles are the same kind or not by seeing what happens if we try to put them in the same place. If they're both protons, they should refuse to be put into the same state due to the Pauli exclusion principle.) As far as I know the experiment hasn't actually been done, though.
Re:Heaviest element yet detected in an exoplanet atmosphere by ianai on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:12PM (#33199234)
Those cosmic rays are an absolute gold mine of particle physics potential. Some of them easily exceed any accelerator we could build without going solar system scale.

Edit-the best I can think is have every satellite built with a particle detector as a standard. No idea if those could be scaled down.

Edit2-seems doubtful.

Re:Heaviest element yet detected in an exoplanet atmosphere by ianai on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:10PM (#33199213)
So we know of two meteors that hit earth from outside the solar system. (One was IDed by the US DOD as traveling well in excess of the solar escape velocity.) They’re what Avi Loeb is bootstrapping a search for now. If those can be recovered all sorts of things can be tested and identified. It’s possible interstellar meteors are already in inventories and even studied but we don’t know what to look for to ID their source as such, yet.

But more directly, absorption spectra are so intimately tied to the QM of the molecules and elements involved that they’re probably unique. (Hunch/not seen a proof.) This is also the most experimentally verified theory known.

Re:Heaviest element yet detected in an exoplanet atmosphere by analog31 on Friday October 14, 2022 @12:26AM (#33199615)
We also haven't verified the absorption spectrum of every atom on earth. All science is extrapolation.
Re:Heaviest element yet detected in an exoplanet atmosphere by akomtu on Thursday October 13, 2022 @10:38PM (#33199035)
To my knowledge, that's only confirmed for Earth, Moon, Mars and a couple nearby asteroids. The rest is just extrapolation of our limited data. P.S. Those razors would better be kept in the bathroom as they only give an illusion of knowledge.
Re:Heaviest element yet detected in an exoplanet atmosphere by chaxor on Thursday October 13, 2022 @11:44PM (#33199409)
Is your argument that translational symmetry in physics is wrong?
Re:Heaviest element yet detected in an exoplanet atmosphere by dvh on Friday October 14, 2022 @03:16AM (#33200513)
*cough* phosphine gas in Venus atmosphere