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Re:Google Rolling Out Passkey Passwordless Login Support to ... by api on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @12:34PM (#33179419)
The entire OIDC / identity provider push has turned into what may be one of the largest incumbent power grabs I have ever seen. Stuff like Google Amp pales in comparison.

What drives me nuts is how little discussion of this I've seen. People don't even seem aware of the implications of it. It's being pushed hard as a boon to security, which it is in some cases, but at a cost that nobody is even considering or talking about.

I know where this is going. In a few years you'll have to pay a monthly fee to log into anything with your Google account, or Google will start logging into your stuff to harvest data to profile you. (Or both? Why not?)

I'm seeing a lot of new stuff pass on login/password or personal FIDO2 token auth entirely, meaning you can't even use stuff without delegating all authority to one of maybe two or three large companies. Even better I'm seeing OIDC-authenticated third party SaaS services managing SSH keys, giving both the service and the OIDC provider carte blanche shell login access.

Once we make this transition it's going to be well nigh impossible to go back. A few large companies are going to have root on the entire universe forever.

Re:Google Rolling Out Passkey Passwordless Login Support to ... by r00fus on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @01:28PM (#33180204)
Compare this with status quo for users like my parents. They constantly forget their passwords and quail at screwing up the 2nd factor all the time.

If they could just use their fingerprint/faceID to login (after initial registration on the device) they would be super happy.

Rest of us should be happy there will be less exploits where people give up the keys to their kingdom by clicking on a random email.

Re:Google Rolling Out Passkey Passwordless Login Support to ... by jve on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @04:39PM (#33182752)
Exactly what Google thinks: https://youtu.be/N7N4EC20-cM?t=15m36s

If you scroll back, they mention you have to protect everyone to be effective, i.e. high value target friends and family.

Re:Google Rolling Out Passkey Passwordless Login Support to ... by dickhardt on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @05:38PM (#33183789)
I founded Hellō to address your concerns. Check out the Show HN post I wrote this morning. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33177705#33182379
Re:Google Rolling Out Passkey Passwordless Login Support to ... by stavros on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @07:11PM (#33185011)
Man, every one of these comments has completely misunderstood the point. WebAuthn is an open standard. The provider is only there to sync your key. If you want, you can keep it yourself.

Why is everyone yelling about the sky falling down when this is the best thing to happen to authentication since ever?

Re:Google Rolling Out Passkey Passwordless Login Support to ... by api on Thursday October 13, 2022 @07:40AM (#33189668)
WebauthN seems to be better than OIDC in that as far as I can tell you control the actual auth part, but OIDC is the clear winner. That and just because it's open doesn't mean it's not a vector for consolidation of power. E-mail is like 90% owned by Google in the USA and it's an open protocol.

I was speaking very broadly. May have been a bit of a tangent.

All I'm saying is that authentication is literally the keys to the castle, and inviting third party control of authentication has some scary implications in terms of privacy, monopoly control, and security.

Re:Google Rolling Out Passkey Passwordless Login Support to ... by stavros on Thursday October 13, 2022 @08:44AM (#33190218)
> If it syncs your keys, it has full access.

It does, but it doesn't have to. You can use any provider you want, or self-host.