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Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by mort96 on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @06:47AM (#33161700)
Here's the ARM desktop PC: https://www.apple.com/mac-studio/

The rest of the industry seems fine with what AMD and Intel has at the moment, or incapable of making strong ARM-based competitors.

Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by OJFord on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @07:29AM (#33162020)
That web page is insane - normally I sympathise with the 'scrolljacking' bemoaners, but that's just so funny (maybe it would annoy me if I was actually shopping), not at all what I expected from the page, or Apple at all.
Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by noduerme on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @07:34AM (#33162070)
It's at least as annoying as your initial impulse said it was...more so from the people who dictate UI down to a gnat's ass in every app we submit to their store, but somehow exempt themselves from even common courtesy when it comes to designing a page. I'm typing this on a mac, but for god's sake don't make excuses for them.
Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by OJFord on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @07:40AM (#33162119)
I'm not making excuses for it, I'm typing this from a ThinkPad (work, and personally have a Framework & a desktop I built, Android phone), it just amused me.
Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by Havoc on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @08:06AM (#33162359)
Yeah Apple site is borderline unusable at times. To much emphasis on looks and design at the cost of sane usability
Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by brokenmachine on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @10:31PM (#33172051)
Seems very on-brand then.
Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by dyerjohn on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @09:53AM (#33163384)
As a backend windows dev, how the hell is that even possible with just scrolling?
Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by OJFord on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @10:34AM (#33163845)
It's just an input right? Forget your expectation that an input causes a 'page' to move vertically; the screen is just a canvas that can change over time or in response to inputs.

(But, because it breaks your expectation is why people don't like it, call it 'scrolljacking' i.e. hijacking scroll behaviour, etc. It's worst IMO when it's done to make the page 'sticky' at certain banner points, so it takes unintuitively more or less scroll movement at certain points as you move down the page.)

Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by rvz on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @06:54AM (#33161744)
That (Mac Studio) and the iMac are also qualifying another ARM desktop PC (as in personal computer).
Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by hulitu on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @08:37AM (#33162621)
> 4x Thunderbolt 4 1x 10Gb Ethernet 2x USB-A 1x HDMI 1x 3.5 mm headphone jack

... and 2000 $

For this price a Bluray drive and some audio I/O would have been nice.

Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by rbanffy on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @09:26AM (#33163086)
External Bluray and professional audio IO can be connected via USB-C. Why add things almost nobody will use to the base model?
Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by gjsman-1000 on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @09:27AM (#33163094)
MacOS never supported Blu-ray, and Steve Jobs described the licensing of it as "a bag of hurt." This was still ~2008 when the licensing of H.264, VC1, MPEG-2, Blu-ray Patents, AACS, BD+, Cinavia, and all the stuff that makes it work was still in the air. Arguably it never came down[1].

However, I would still beg Apple to reconsider this, even a decade later, at least for desktop professional use. Blu-ray discs come in 25GB, 50GB, 100GB, and even (rare) 128GB disc sizes. It's still a really cheap, portable, distributable, long-term (as long as you check every ~5 years) storage medium.

[1]Blu-ray discs for movies were pretty shamefully designed. Do we seriously need 3 different codecs? Or 3 different copy-protection mechanisms?

Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by salawat on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @09:42AM (#33163248)
>Or 3 different copy-protection mechanisms?

Consider the source.

Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by barelysapient on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @09:54AM (#33163398)
I’d suggest that an SSD makes a far better option. For the price of a burner and blank media, you can buy a whole bunch of cheap 128gb ssds. They’re re-writeable, durable and easy to connect with a twenty dollar usb dongle.
Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by gjsman-1000 on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @10:09AM (#33163559)
The catch with SSDs is they are not long-term reliable when left without power. If left as little as 12 months without energy, data degradation can occur. SSDs need power regularly to automatically refresh their memory cells. No power, no refresh, slow loss. They are almost like RAM in that regard, just with a really slow discharge.

Compared to good quality writable media which is designed for storage without power. This, and the write-once versions (no ransomware), are great for backups of faster modern media.

Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by pwinnski on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @10:20AM (#33163678)
Fortunately, external USB-connected Blu-ray drives are pretty cheap[0]!

0. http://www.pricegrabber.com/blu-ray-external/products/?sort=...

Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by chrisseaton on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @09:29AM (#33163111)
Not sure I'd want a low-capacity mechanical legacy drive like Bluray integrated in a modern PC. Why do you want that?

And you can send audio over USB. You can't possibly have more than 10 Gbps of audio?

Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by schwartzworld on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @04:52PM (#33169092)
I have an old MacBook with a cd/dvd-r drive and SD card reader in it. I literally keep this machine just to use these features. I never understood the incentive for getting rid of them. The cd/dvd drive was something I used every day when that was my primary computer.
Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by chrisseaton on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @04:54PM (#33169112)
I just don't think many people have any DVD media anymore, let alone any CDs (!) outside of enthusiasts.

> I never understood the incentive for getting rid of them.

Can't be that much of a mystery? Less weight, less space, less cost, less clunky mechanical stuff - given almost nobody would ever use them it's a no-brainer.

Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by schwartzworld on Wednesday October 12, 2022 @08:20AM (#33175858)
> I just don't think many people have any DVD media anymore

Don't you think that's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy? DVDs are absolutely not obsolete, and are still manufactured. Lots of content exists on DVD but not streaming. We get movies and shows at the library all the time that are not on any streaming platform.

Sure, everybody has a computer built only to stream, so streaming is the default for anybody who doesn't want to carry an external drive in their laptop bag. Design decisions influence how your product is used. Surprise, people who have phones without headphones jacks are less likely to use wired headphones.

Re:Ask HN: So, where is the ARM desktop PC? by pwinnski on Tuesday October 11, 2022 @10:15AM (#33163628)
The price is too high for me.

But I already have an external blu-ray drive that connects via USB, and I don't ever need audio beyond the headphone jack. Those who do can use the USB-C ports for that.

Maximum flexibility via USB, without a bunch of ports and parts that will be unused by most people, please.