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Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by giantg2 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @10:26AM (#33141407)
My company quickly realized that outsourcing to an offshore Indian company was a mistake. We tried giving them new projects, but it was useless. We still use them, but only for very simple support work. My project was outsourced to them for support. The transition of our mature project to them took about a year. They wanted to replace our 10-12 person team with about 19 of their people. They also needed some of the people onshore due to regulations. So much for cost savings. And as soon as someone got good, they left the team/company because they could get a better job anywhere else.

My company also outsourced onshore to another Indian company to modernize an area of our business (same area as rhe above example). It's a mess. They're behind schedule by years. They promised they had an ML system to handle this type of business case, but it's not working. They're also telling people to only record 40 hours on their time sheet even if they're working 50-60 hours. They've had so many people leave that they're throwing money at the remaining expert people to stay.

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by steveBK123 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:19AM (#33142048)
When I worked with a large team for 2 years, including going over to run a week long training program .. I found just a general disinclination for efficiency, automation or time saving... which cynically wouldn't surprise you when you consider they are running a quantity/body shop.

The craziest conversation I had was trying to convince a guy who came in every morning and ran a script that he could put it on a timer/scheduler/cron/anything to just run the report so it was in his inbox every morning. It's not that he was incapable technically, or did not understand it. It was as if I was asking him to violate a religious oath. "Thou shall not reduce billable hours." His workflow remained - login to desktop, open IDE, open script, modify date, save, execute script, open FTP app, login to server, download file to desktop, open email app, create new email, attach file, email file to onshore. Solid 30min++ of work if you do it right.

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by ramphastidae on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:48AM (#33142330)
Devils advocate: would he get paid any more to be more efficient? Or would he just get more work?
Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by steveBK123 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:53AM (#33142377)
Sure but I can’t imagine that mindset from an onshore FTE dev, can you? Let me do stuff as slowly as possible so my boss doesn’t give me more work. Can be applied to any job.

Refusal to do obvious time saving tasks when instructed to would probably put you on the “does not meet” list next review cycle.

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by ramphastidae on Sunday October 09, 2022 @12:03PM (#33142496)
I agree but the reason for the difference is because the “offshore” folks have zero incentive to do so. There’s literally no point beyond keeping their job (and because of the incredibly low bar and compensation, it’s not at all difficult to find another one). They are there to fill seats and hours, not be productive or efficient.
Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by giantg2 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @12:28PM (#33142700)
Even if the client complains, the company won't fire the person. They can just move them to one of their many other projects.
Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by steveBK123 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:59AM (#33142434)
And let me follow up by saying the problem with many of these offshoring firm arrangements is that the number of layers in between the person assigning tasks and person doing tasks.

Purposeful inefficiency is harder to sniff out because it’s not a manager-ic relationship. There’s often 2-3 hops inserted into the middle with the work going into a pool for the offshore team lead to manage. The offshore team lead is also consulting company so they have no efficiency incentives either.

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by tatpacc on Sunday October 09, 2022 @11:26AM (#33142113)
> And as soon as someone got good, they left the team/company because they could get a better job anywhere else.

they left the company because they could get a "better pay" anywhere else.

For offshore outsourcing company, their only business model is: amount they receive per resource - A. salary per resource - B. fix cost at company level. i.e. office rent, office maintenance, etc.

And Project manager's OKR are mostly to increase margin. Project manager have only control over A. hence they will always try to hire junior resource. So good resource often have to waste time in spoon feeding to rest of the team and they will leave the company as soon as they got better offer/company.

Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by giantg2 on Sunday October 09, 2022 @12:41PM (#33142817)
Yeah, I don't blame the person for leaving. It's either the company increasing margin too much, or more likely the executives in this country not understanding the full implications of this model on tech projects. It might work for call centers where you read off a script, but building software is different.
Re:Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', ... by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK on Sunday October 09, 2022 @02:06PM (#33143731)
Racism is thick here.