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Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by nperez on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:40PM (#33102999)
This thread is cathartic. I've been feeling uncomfortable with the level of control being sought over the usage of these tools for a while, but didn't want to ruffle the wrong feathers while just getting into AI as a hobby. I think there will be a pretty short window in which all of this hand-waving will be taken seriously. Not because AI won't be used for terrible things (I'm sure it already is) but because consumer hardware can already be used to build a dataset and train a model, and eventually there will come a realization - it doesn't matter how ethicists want "the general public" to use AI. The general public is fully capable of figuring out on their own how to do whatever they feel like doing. It's like a compiler or a hammer or a car, all of which can be used for positive or negative purposes.

I do understand the fear of being sued or targeted in the media over misuse, though. The person misusing technology should (obviously imo) be held responsible for that, but since it's new tech, the tech will be taking the blame for the first really controversial cases of disinfo and/or harassment that utilize it.

Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by fny on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @11:33PM (#33104063)
> it doesn't matter how ethicists want "the general public" to use AI

Something tells me these pricks will end up arguing for a reversion to thin-client compute. It is in their financial interest too after all.

Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by colordrops on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @11:41PM (#33104121)
Are you referring to chromebooks?
Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by eurasiantiger on Thursday October 06, 2022 @01:22AM (#33104661)
You mean like the apps are all running on a server and we only have a client used to… browse them?
Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by CuriouslyC on Thursday October 06, 2022 @09:51AM (#33108142)
Except that web apps have become pretty thick, with most of the computation going on in the browser in many cases.
Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by cheschire on Thursday October 06, 2022 @07:07AM (#33106788)
7 hours after you posted this, the top article on HN is about how cloud desktops aren’t that great, and the comments in there are predominantly supportive of that sentiment.

Funny coincidence!

Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by pdntspa on Thursday October 06, 2022 @10:28AM (#33108621)
Reversion... we're already there! The only people using their computers to compute something more than a web browser are creatives and power users
Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by Roark66 on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:01AM (#33105694)
Exactly. Probably they already started lobbying against selling high end cheap GPUs to the public. No doubt ether going proof of stake is a huge blow to their agenda. They can't claim all those GPUs are just wasting energy for crypto mining. Now they have to come up with different arguments.

I can already see it. Just think of all the energy wasted training AI at home! I can imagine police drones with IR sensors scanning the cities for the heat signatures of illegal AI "farms".

Talking seriously, however they try to spin it, advanced AI (same as every other big scientific/engineering achievement) will be predominantly good. So let's say there is time when AI can create convincing videos of people engaging in various compromising "activities". When this becomes widespread it will give plausible deniability to any potential victim of such attack(with real or deep faked materials) .

In a world where any compromising video or picture can be made with anyone, the value of such materials for wannabee blackmailer diminishes rapidly. However, in a world where there is only few entities that can produce such materials and they do so sparingly those entities get a tool that gives them huge power (especially in democracies where popular opinion decides who governs).

Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by trention on Thursday October 06, 2022 @04:58AM (#33106103)
>advanced AI (same as every other big scientific/engineering achievement) will be predominantly good.

They should start teaching the problem of induction in schools, evidently it's needed.

Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by bheadmaster on Thursday October 06, 2022 @01:49PM (#33111515)
That's a really convoluted way of saying what amounts to "you're dumb".

How about you present a counterargument - why would advanced AI be predominantly bad? Unless, of course, your only counterargument is the classic philosophical statement of "we can't know nuffin".

Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by trention on Thursday October 06, 2022 @05:39PM (#33114441)
Logical fallacies don't necessarily equal stupidity though sometimes they do.

A bunch of arguments about why AI would be bad have already been advanced. For the economic one, refer to Martin Ford. For the existential one, refer to Bostrom.

Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by bheadmaster on Friday October 07, 2022 @01:05AM (#33117644)
Induction is not a logical fallacy, it's a basis for empiricism.
Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by trention on Friday October 07, 2022 @05:42AM (#33119196)
It is a logical fallacy, read your Hume.
Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by bheadmaster on Friday October 07, 2022 @05:57AM (#33119278)
> read your Hume

No.

Either discuss this with me or don't. Don't summon your sacred scrolls to do the arguing for you.

> It is a logical fallacy

Instead of just parroting my stance in response, I'll try to elaborate some more. Please either follow my example or don't reply to me at all.

Logic itself cannot bring you knowledge about the world, as the concept of apriori knowledge is crackpipe bullshit. All knowledge is based on induction, even your knowledge that induction is fallible. Saying induction is a "logical fallacy" doesn't even make sense, since the purpose of induction is not to perform logical operations.

Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by trention on Friday October 07, 2022 @02:33PM (#33125201)
>Please either follow my example or don't reply to me at all.

I'll do whatever I want, especially when "communicating" (generous verb) with someone capable of writing the epitome of stupidity "the concept of apriori knowledge is crackpipe bullshit".

Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by bheadmaster on Saturday October 08, 2022 @01:48PM (#33134366)
> I'll do whatever I want

What a juvenile attitude. I wasn't giving you orders, I was presenting my standards of communication. You can do whatever the hell you want, but don't expect other people to tolerate your obnoxiousness.

You seem to get off on insulting people. I do not get off on being insulted, so I will refrain from further communication with you. Goodbye.

Re:Imagen Video: high definition video generation with diffu... by benreesman on Saturday October 08, 2022 @12:50AM (#33129853)
It is more than a little snarky, but a certain amount of snark is kind of the toll you pay for having PhDs in everything from high-energy physics to behavioral economics on an Internet thread.

Basically no one who sticks around on here is “dumb”, I don’t know you but I have a Bayesian prior that you’re probably pretty fucking smart, and GP was being a bit of a smartass, C’est la vie.

I completely agree with your game plan of “let’s get a more substantial conversation going here”. It’s the right move.

I think that we probably should, as a society, do a serious audit of the public school system curriculum to see if it still makes sense in light of the insane rate of change in the facts of life over the last century :)