Nothing of the sort; it's due to the worsening condition to run a business in China, namely the abrupt shutdown of electricity to factories, abrupt covid shutdown of factories and loss of output while still needing to pay out wages, and worsening economic conditions. you can see some of that in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPptD2eBgwo. In this video, a factory owner complains of an abrupt and unannounced electricity halt leading to machinery stopping in mid operation, and another factory owner crying that she has paid out 1M in wages after having to take a 3M loan out, and having so much unsold inventory.

Eh. You can’t really say that because those (electricity and Covid shut downs) are short term disruptions. Apple is not moving suppliers on short term disruptions.

India's labor laws are pretty strong, and that's the only reason why it was put off till now. Infact, take a look at this: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/wistron-violence-w...

That wouldn't have happened in China, and it was actually a detractor for additional manufacturing to be done in India.

I believe this push is not for additional cost cutting but to avoid the tariffs placed on imported goods.

I don't think that's being overly skeptical. It's been known that as labor prices increase, companies move factories to cheaper locations. Seam-sealed technical jackets used to be made in China, but now they're made in Vietnam. If prices in Vietnam rise to a certain point, companies will look at less developed countries.

But to ktta's point, another reason Apple did this was to minimize the Indian tariffs.

India’s labor laws are actually a massive deterrent to most large scale manufacturing.

One of the perils of a democratic setup is that people are free to assemble themselves into labor unions. India has a strong culture of labor organization which often stops reforms and investment.

I’m personally on the fence about this. Its easy to demonize labor unions when you’re outside that particular labor force, but my family has witnessed the importance of labor organization first hand, and I understand how crucial they can be to prop up labor interests.

Why did you write democracy in quotes?

Because India is not a democracy :)

Explain how it is not a democracy.

Democracy means people rule. India has rulers afaik.

> India has rulers afaik.

That means you know nothing. List a few Indian rulers for us please.

To be fair, anyone living in India knows that elected officials are largely above the law and live like feudal lords.

but they are elected and can be replaced. You can see people using their rights to replace government (both national and state). Also reduce or increase their mandate over the years.

A king is replaceable too, whats your point. I did not make this claim.

India is an electoral autocracy. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56393944

The most robust part of India's "democracy" is its voting system which is among the most accessible in the world and is likely one of the best in the world.

By all other metrics and measures, India is a feudal state where laws are great on paper but terrible otherwise. People should - rightfully so - be wary of labelling India a democracy.

That's the assessment of an NGO, which may have some merit to it, and maybe not.

To quote the same article,

> Prof Mukherjee says most non-academics would be incredulous that a handful of research assistants and country experts get to decide that a country is an "electoral autocracy" while hundreds of millions of that country's citizens would disagree.

> "So really this is an instance of academic discourse and concepts operating at a considerable distance from lived experience. The operational concepts across the two domains are very different."

Lol. This coming from an NGO based in a country with a hereditary head of state. Pot, meet kettle

> India is an electoral autocracy.

You forgot to write that it is according to "Sweden-based V-Dem Institute."

This is not specific to India. India is a poor democracy and that does not solve the compliance issue (either from companies or civil servants).

But it's still a democracy, although an awkward one.

The problem is in defining Democracy.

It’s probably the most robust democracy on earth. Voter participation is extremely high and voter fraud is shockingly low.

No country is a true democracy nor just that. Every country claiming democracy it an amalgamation of various ideas mixed in varying percentage.

India is a parliamentary democratic secular republic with socialism also thrown in. Most of these ideas are overlapping but also has slighly differing paths.

It is difficult to even agree on one precise definition on what each of these are without a debate ensuing.