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Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by DrAwdeOccarim on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:26AM (#33093545)
For those who are just first learning about click chemistry, it makes attaching two larger molecules together very, very simple. It can be done under very gentle conditions (like in water), and has exceptional selectivity. Like it's so selective you really don't need to worry about other things happening on the timescales these reactions occur and can be cleaned up (an hour). There are two types of click chemistry, one that uses copper as a catalyst and one that doesn't. They both opened the world of chemically "stapling" two things together to literally all bench scientists. I cannot overstate how transformative this has been to biological science.
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by tgv on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:31AM (#33093582)
You mean: LEGO-like chemistry? Wow, I'd never heard of that. Any info on how and what-for it's used in practice?
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by lepetitpedre on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @07:14AM (#33093884)
Of course a Danish person got LEGO into chemistry
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by j7ake on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:39AM (#33093644)
For example, attaching fluorophores to molecules so you can track them in a microscope.
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by ak_111 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:04AM (#33094311)
This sounds mind-blowing and if it is transformative as you state, then why did it take so long to award it the prize, have all the most recent previous winners been more worthy?
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by ceejayoz on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @09:56AM (#33095633)
That's entirely normal.

https://www.nature.com/articles/508186a

> Before 1940, Nobels were awarded more than 20 years after the original discovery for only about 11% of physics, 15% of chemistry and 24% of physiology or medicine prizes, respectively. Since 1985, however, such lengthy delays have featured in 60%, 52% and 45% of these awards, respectively.

Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by wholinator2 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:59AM (#33094956)
It can sometimes take a long time to get a prize awarded. Like I believe Einstein didn't get his prize for years and years after he discovered Relativity and even when they awarded it to him it was only for the photo electric effect, which while important, wasn't perceived as his largest contribution
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by btilly on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:13PM (#33097403)
He didn't get it for relativity in part because of a well-known philosopher.

See https://nautil.us/this-philosopher-helped-ensure-there-was-n... for the story.

Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by dekhn on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:33PM (#33097685)
"only" for the photoelectric effect?

That was one of the most fundamental scientific discoveries (well, explanation for an unexpected failure of theory to predict experiment) of all time. In particular, the idea of wave packets replacing particle and wave representations was quite helpful.

Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by throwawaymaths on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @10:46AM (#33096217)
It's very cool but not that transformative. I don't know of any major biological discovery that depended on it.

Honestly imo the coolest click chemistry application was as a two-component bonding glue for copper pieces

Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by ak_111 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @10:54AM (#33096347)
Yeah I think the concept is very cool and probably has lots of potential, but the fact that not even most scientists I know have heard of it implies that is yet a niche area that hasn't yet had a major impact in applications.
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by dmix on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @07:59AM (#33094261)
Do you have an example of some molecules that would be joined in an experiment?
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by jfarlow on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @11:55AM (#33097178)
Using the above chemistry, you can attach DNA oligos to lipids, DNA oligos to proteins, fluorophores to DNA, fluorophores to proteins at particular locations or other complex drugs to DNA, protein or lipids.

Once you get DNA oligos in there you can do computation, as X binds X', and Y to Y'. So you can have all sorts of complex synthetic & designed interactions using chemistry that is both seamless and doesn't interfere with normal molecular biolgy.

Once you have proteins, you can localize particular chemistries.

Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by hirenj on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:35AM (#33094643)
A specific example would describe Bertozzi's work - where sugars with a chemical "handle" are installed on to the cell surface. You can then click something like a fluorophore onto the sugars with handles to figure out where these specific sugars are on a cell surface.
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by zasdffaa on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:46AM (#33094770)
Ah, so we're definitely not talking bolting together the little stuff, like pyrrole + benzene ring kind of thing?
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by throwawaymaths on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:53AM (#33094883)
You can do that (glue together two tiny molecules of arbitrary size) but the connector that you get that joins the two pieces in the resulting molecule is not arbitrary.
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by throwawaymaths on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:51AM (#33094840)
I'm not aware of any major discoveries that have come about from this technique. Can someone correct me?

I'd accept:

- elucidating a new signal transduction pathway

- discovering an uncharacterized enzyme

- measuring a biochemical constant of a known molecule (Kd e.g.)

- discovering a new drug target that then gets exploited

Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by coolspot on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:12PM (#33097392)
Can it simplify DIY drug/explosive production?
Re:Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Bertozzi, Meldal, and... by chrisbrandow on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:18PM (#33098405)
I guess it depends on your definition of DIY.

It's not new, so if someone didn't already know about it, then they are probably unlikely to be in a position to take advantage of it, because it is already how a lot of synthesis in this field is done.