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Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by bsder on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:35PM (#33089934)
> > The conventional wisdom is that if you are not a GM by age 14, it is unlikely that you can reach the top levels of chess.

This is confusing correlation and causation.

One thing that people don't realize is the sheer amount of money required to become a "GM". You have to get a certain number of "norms" from FIDE and the requirements list is a PITA: https://chessgoals.com/how-to-get-a-grandmaster-norm/

If you don't have a lot of money and a lot of free time to go to a lot of chess tournaments around the world, you are not getting a "GM" title in this day and age. This favors children (few time constraints) with rich parents (lots of coaching along with the ability to travel).

The problem is that if you aren't a "chess prodigy" by 15 it generally isn't worth continuing to pursue--what does sinking the resources into being a "GM" get you at the end? If you're one of the "Chess Gods", you have entry into the tournaments anyway, and, if you're not, it doesn't really matter.

Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by addicted on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:48PM (#33090495)
This also ignores a once in a century pandemic.

It’s an absolutely ridiculous basis to make a claim.

Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by pedrosorio on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @01:35AM (#33091672)
> This also ignores a once in a century pandemic.

Hans Niemann was almost 17 years old when the pandemic started. When he turned 15 (June 2018) his rating was 2313, almost 200 points (an immense gulf at that level) below the minimum to become a grandmaster.

Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by User23 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @09:19PM (#33103225)
A name that basically means “John Nobody” is pretty curious.
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by User23 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:29PM (#33090819)
That's why I quit playing seriously when I was still an underclassman. It was overwhelmingly obvious that merely being well above average was completely irrelevant, and there was absolutely no practical reason for me to play chess whatsoever. Although it did subsequently get me laid once or twice, which in retrospect still surprises me.
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by toast0 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:45AM (#33092097)
> Although it did subsequently get me laid once or twice, which in retrospect still surprises me.

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Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by wantoncl on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @09:13AM (#33095117)
I see what you did there. :)

You even managed a double-entendre in 2 completely different realms. Well done.

Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by baobabKoodaa on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @05:23AM (#33093121)
Don't leave us hanging!
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by avgcorrection on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:18PM (#33099221)
Imagine how barren a sport/hobby/field is when you feel compelled to point out that you had sex two times during your stint in it.
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by arrow7000 on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @07:50AM (#33094176)
I didn't know there was a thriving chess groupie scene
Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by bsder on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:42AM (#33091333)
> It was overwhelmingly obvious that merely being well above average was completely irrelevant

I find this true for any semi-competitive endeavor that doesn't also have intrinsic extra benefits. You're going to hit the people who want it more than you and are willing to put in the practice time, and they're going to beat you.

Consequently, any competitive thing I do has to also have an extra dimension to it. A competitive sport is generally fine since I'm getting in better shape. I'm happy to do stuff like darts or bowling if it has a high social aspect to it. As long as I can be slightly above average and that's good enough and there is some extra benefit, I'm down with it.

Chess, sadly, generally fulfills none of those criteria.

Re:The Full Chess Cheating Report of Hans Neiman by bigbacaloa on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:25AM (#33091974)
Wisdom is an obstacle to material success.