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Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by pavlov on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:38AM (#33078972)
Just on the surface of it, it’s hard to believe that a Twitter account called “Libs of TikTok” is in fact engaging in well-intentioned discourse about medical treatment for minors.

> “Trump never knowingly mocked a disabled reporter.”

Is “knowingly” the operative word here? Because there’s a video of him doing just that.

Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by throwawaydad12 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @02:03PM (#33084274)
> there’s a video of him doing just that

I believed that for years. It just sounds like the sort of oafish, lame humor I'd expect from him.

But finally, I looked more deeply into it. My impression from that dive is that he was not specifically mocking this reporter's disability. Rather, it's more of a theatrical way of saying "Duh!", which he has used on many prior occasions, and even occasionally when referring to himself. (And of course, "duh" comes from a meaning of mocking people with low IQs or other similar disabilities. You could argue that it's wrong, but it's not particularly unusual in American discourse.)

It's somewhat open to interpretation, but I think a reasonable person could come down either way.

Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by robertlagrant on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:14AM (#33079238)
I don't think it's doing any discourse. I think it just reposts TikTok videos.
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Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by revolvingocelot on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:48AM (#33079061)
>He didn't the reporter was disabled

Ah yes, ignorance as a defence. Apropos for Trump.

Anyone interested in the truth can read this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/...

The video of Trump mocking the disabled reporter is right there in the article. For anyone interested in the truth.

Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:09AM (#33079208)
I mean I have to be honest here and there is a pretty good chance Trump isn't smart enough to realize the mannerisms he is mocking are in any way related to common disabilities.
Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:03AM (#33081379)
From its fake news to apologist in a few comments. If you apologized for being wrong instead of defending a buffoon.
Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @12:25PM (#33082703)
am I the 'you' in your comment?
Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @01:23PM (#33083603)
The last part is obviously nonsensical, sorry about that, I can’t edit it now.

My point stands that the goalposts were moved in a doubling down on trump. His personality cult is impressive.

Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @03:06PM (#33085176)
I'm not sure what your point is actually? Are you reading my comment as being somehow pro-Trump?

If so and you do not have some disability that makes picking up on sarcasm or humor difficult then please read again as I suppose you may be distracted or going through some problem.

If you do have a disability that makes picking up on sarcasm etc. difficult then no, it was insulting to Trump because it goes back to the common observation that Trump is intellectually deficient, thus if someone is defending Trump they are now left with two problems, I have apparently sided with them and said well of course Trump is stupid so he won't be able to understand that he is mocking a disabled person.

This would be problematic for a defender of Trump because if they admit he is stupid this puts their hero in a bad light, but if they argue he is not too stupid to realize the person they are mocking is disabled then we are back to he knowingly mocked a disabled person.

By pretending to excuse Trump by reason of stupidity I establish the rhetorical point that the mannerisms that were being mocked are commonly understood as being evidences of disability. This rhetorical point once established makes it difficult to argue that he didn't know, they need now to argue:

1. that the mannerisms are not commonly understood as being disabled.

2. that he did not know the person was disabled and

3. because of 1 his not knowing is not evidence of stupidity.

all that would be tall order, and thus someone who was in the bag for Trump would probably prefer not to do any of them.

Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by lakhim on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:44AM (#33079028)
Generally, children don't have gender affirming surgery at all, as there really isn't any need. Mostly, you tend to have puberty blockers at best, something that's relatively benign and reversible, and from what I'm aware its not given out lightly just for shits and giggles. It's life altering, but in a good way generally.

So it took me a fair bit of time to actually read what children's boston rather than just accept what you said as true, minutes of my life I won't get back. Enjoy!

>>The center currently offers vaginoplasty, metoidioplasty, phalloplasty, chest reconstruction, breast augmentation, facial harmonization and other gender affirmation surgeries to eligible patients. We are guided by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) standards and other criteria to surgically treat people who are stable in their gender identity and have documentation of persistent gender dysphoria. You do not need to be a GeMS patient to have surgery at the center. All genital surgeries are only performed on patients age 18 and older.

Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by OrangeMonkey on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:22AM (#33079960)
Regarding puberty blockers, I think the impact is a bit stronger than you have been made aware of.

From Nature - affects fertility in both boys and girls treated in early adolescence: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41585-020-0372-2

From Lancet - importance of informed fertility counseling for trans young people: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4...

While some may claim the resulting infertility condition that impacts young people given puberty blockers is the price worth being paid due to trans suicide rates, it is worth stating: it is not benign and it is not reversible.

The treatment side effects are permanent and are life altering for most people. Imagine a person finding out at 26 that they are infertile - it is a life impacting event that causes mental anguish, divorce in some cases, and even suicide.

Lets trust the science here.

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Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by OrangeMonkey on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:18AM (#33081601)
I think you are arguing against something I didn't state - or maybe you replied to the wrong comment. My statement, backed by papers, is that puberty blockers given to older children and younger teens has a negative impact on fertility that needs to be known.

I make literally no statement on what is worst (trans suicides are a thing, and infertility is a thing also). Its a tough place for parents to be to help their children.

What does not help anyone - including yourself - is making up statements that you then get hot and yell about. If you scream about dog whistles / terfs / transphobes it has the impact of shutting down conversation.

Lets be better and lets trust the science.

Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by gadders on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:54AM (#33079096)
Yes, they updated their website after the publicity. Glad to see you agree with the impact the account is having.
Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by microtherion on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:08AM (#33079205)
The hospital never offered surgery to "children". Chaya Raichik aka "Libs of TikTok" lied.
Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by gadders on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:15AM (#33079249)
Depends on your definition of "children".
Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:06AM (#33081436)
A minor is under eighteen years of age. Don’t like it then petition your legislators to increase the age.
Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by gadders on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:34AM (#33081856)
I'm glad we agree then - they were offering the treatments to 17 year olds until "Libs of Tik Tok" publicised it.
Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @01:19PM (#33083541)
Libs of TikTok is going to get more people killed by stirring up the latent hate among transphobes. This is the same type of stunt that lead to abortion clinic bombings. Don’t spread their hate. If you got a criticism you would be wise to find a source that isn’t so despicable.

https://www.them.us/story/libs-of-tik-tok-twitter-facebook-i...

Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by gadders on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @02:23PM (#33084561)
No, she's going to get policy changed so the default treatment for troubled teens isn't life-changing, irreversible surgery.
Re:Theater of Shame – The rise of online humiliation by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @07:39PM (#33088735)
Oh boy you’ve drank all the koolaid. That is not the default treatment, you have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re letting propagandists wind you up.