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Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs by theshrike79 on Monday October 03, 2022 @01:48AM (#33063854)
There will be a huge 3rd party industry replacing and upgrading batteries for EVs.

It doesn't exist yet beyond some small enterprises because there isn't enough volume: even 10+ year old EVs are still going strong with very few battery issues. We need to wait longer to get any business going.

There was a dude in Finland who replaced and upgraded Nissan Leaf batteries, he had to stop because it was a) impossible to get new batteries due to huge demand b) ran out of customers.

Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs by Workaccount2 on Monday October 03, 2022 @10:10AM (#33067765)
I've thought about doing this, but I envision the legal headaches and DRM that will inevitably creep into the batteries being not worth the effort. It's even possible to DRM at the cell level, and I fully expect OEMs to do that.
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs by theshrike79 on Monday October 03, 2022 @05:40PM (#33074080)
You can't get DRM "at the cell level". The batteries are just simple Panasonic 18650s, adding some DRM component to each and every one of them would be cost-inefficient and would also cause a huge problem if the chip fails during warranty.

The controllers are black boxes though, but you can get 3rd party units for Tesla batteries _today_. JerryRigEverything on Youtube built his own EV Hummvee on the military chassis using some Model X batteries and all 3rd party electronics.

It wasn't plug and play, but perfectly doable in a semi-well stocked home garage.

Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs by WorldMaker on Monday October 03, 2022 @03:42PM (#33072643)
The bigger problem is batteries have moved into "structural elements" in the current "skateboard" designs. Removing the batteries potentially damages the foundational structure of the car and may need expensive mitigations.
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs by sidewndr46 on Monday October 03, 2022 @05:04PM (#33073685)
Not following you here: Your suggestion for evidence that 3rd party batteries will be available is that some guy in Finland couldn't get enough supply?
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs by theshrike79 on Monday October 03, 2022 @05:38PM (#33074050)
A single hobbyist in Finland could run a profitable business replacing Nissan Leaf batteries unofficially. The dude managed to install a 25% larger battery in the car and fool the on board computer to accept it.

Just imagine what can be done with actual resources and R&D.

The current limiting issue isn't skill or technology, but available new batteries. They can't make them fast enough even for new cars, never mind for spare parts.

But when battery production ramps high enough, there's absolutely nothing preventing people from upgrading existing batteries with more modern tech - bigger battery capacity in the same space.

There will also be a huge industry converting "dead" EV batteries to in-house battery backups. A car with 50% battery degradation is a bit iffy, but the battery will still have tens of kWh of usable capacity. Enough to run a house for a day or two in a pinch - or just store cheap energy and sell it back to the grid when the price goes up.

Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs by sidewndr46 on Monday October 03, 2022 @05:55PM (#33074256)
"But when battery production ramps high enough"

If we're talking hypothetically, why not just expect someone to develop a battery that lasts forever?

Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs by theshrike79 on Friday October 07, 2022 @06:06AM (#33119333)
There are no technological or supply barriers to the battery production ramp-up.

It just takes time to build enough factories to produce enough.