Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by greenthrow on Sunday October 02, 2022 @09:36PM
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They aren't that now. You can get a used Leaf for $6k.
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Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by neon_electro on Monday October 03, 2022 @01:56AM
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Would love to know where all the $6k Leafs are hiding now. Your statement was true before the pandemic and the used car market becoming wild. Now cars that would sell for that price are being listed for $12-15k…
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by velhartice on Sunday October 02, 2022 @09:51PM
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Yea and it will have a range of ~50 miles if you’re lucky.
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by seanmcdirmid on Sunday October 02, 2022 @10:07PM
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You can spend $3.5-6k plus labor to replace a leaf’s battery with a reconditioned battery. It can work out to a reasonable investment.
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by velhartice on Sunday October 02, 2022 @10:29PM
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So 10k+ in for a 5+ year old car with a “reconditioned” battery that should last another year or two for 100 miles range on a good day? All the early Leafs suffer from short range along with terrible battery degradation. Where’s the value in that against my current paid for ICE car that will last me another 100k plus miles with no range degradation and that can charge to 400 miles in less than 5 minutes?
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by theshrike79 on Monday October 03, 2022 @01:45AM
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If you compare "your current paid for ICE" to any other vehicle ever made, it's always a bad proposition. No calculation in the world will make it worth it.
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by seanmcdirmid on Sunday October 02, 2022 @10:48PM
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ICE used cars have similar problems, at least with the used EV I know mostly what I’m getting myself into. ICEs don’t degrade, they just break.
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by cpsns on Sunday October 02, 2022 @11:23PM
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Sure, but they usually don’t cost so much to fix. Most engines don’t catastrophically fail and in the given scenario an ICE car would be a better choice than a used electric with a reconditioned batter.
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by seanmcdirmid on Monday October 03, 2022 @12:42AM
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Labor these days is super pricey. Like parent, they tacked on $6k to install a $4k battery. The same thing is happening in auto shops if you can’t DIY a cheap part repair.
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by velhartice on Sunday October 02, 2022 @11:39PM
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What kind of similar problems are you referring to? A punctured gas tank? That seems fairly obvious to me.
What do you mean by break? Everything at some point breaks. If you do your research to buy a quality and cared for vehicle in the first place, keep it maintained, 300k miles is of minimal cost and effort.
Re:Toyota CEO talks about why he isn’t all-in on EVs
by EdwardDiego on Monday October 03, 2022 @01:17AM
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That would get plenty of people to work and back in a lot of cities.
I suspect we'll see an overlap in wealthier households of a petrol or plug in hybrid for longer journeys, and a second hand EV for the daily commute, idling in traffic wastes significant petrol.