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Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by throw__away7391 on Saturday October 01, 2022 @11:13AM (#33047184)
I was in Paris for the first time in four years this summer, and I have to say I was quite impressed, even by European standards the city stands out as extremely bike accessible, much more so than before (at least the city center). It completely changes the way you see certain parts of the city. I've been many times in the past and returning to the same places now where the area used to be dominated by a busy street now you see the buildings, if you're on a bike or walking on a pedestrian designated street you see them from the angle looking from the center, as they were originally designed to be seen, rather than looking up from under from the sidewalks.
Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by jorl17 on Saturday October 01, 2022 @11:53AM (#33047503)
I was in Paris for work two weeks ago and fell in love with it. What a wonderful city!

Even though I (shamefully) don't know how to ride a bike, I was amazed at how many bikes there were and how bike accessible everything was.

Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by TedDoesntTalk on Saturday October 01, 2022 @12:07PM (#33047611)
how did it happen that you don't know how to ride a bike? Genuinely curious.
Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by aembleton on Saturday October 01, 2022 @02:22PM (#33048733)
I guess they never learnt. If you never learn then you won't know how to ride. Tom Scott made a video, as an adult learning to ride a bike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7GKK3liv8M
Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by jorl17 on Sunday October 02, 2022 @04:06PM (#33059673)
Oof, now that's a story that can be told in many ways.

Short & Simple: I never had the need to ride a bike, I never felt like I wanted to (when i was young), and no one ever decided to teach me. I lived on a 13th floor until I was 10, and after moving to the suburbs, I was already so in love in computers I still didn't care for it.

Longer: I was the prototypical shy and introvert nerd, living in his bubble. Early on I developed an eating disorder which made it so I could only eat very specific types of food, which further led me to be in controlled social environments (e.g. I rarely ate "at school" and always ate at home). Couple this with the fact that I was instantly a "computer, maths and science geek" and terrible at sports, there never was a need to ride a bike. I grew up in Coimbra, Portugal, and the city also isn't particularly prepared for bikes. My parents were also very protective of me when I was younger, and neither of them had a bike anymore, so there really was no reason for it.

Longest:

When I was very young I had some illness that prevented me from eating most food for a while. Somehow, after that passed, I developed an eating disorder whereby I was no longer physically and psychologically capable of eating most food. It wasn't the illness from before, it was something within me that would lead me to refuse to eat or to get physically ill at the thought of eating certain foods, like a phobia. I'm pretty sure if you look it up on the DSM it shows up as ARFID (Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder). To this day (I'm 29) I still struggle with it, although I have slowly managed to improve the situation (add stuff to my diet) to allow me to be in more social situations and accept my quirks (one such example is the fact I'm telling you this here knowing it will be etched on the internet permanently). To give an idea of the magnitude of the thing, most of my diet, up until I was 18, was baby food (and every kind of crappy assortment of chips/candy/crackers you can imagine). You read that right. If you're curious I can share more about that diet, but I doubt you are :)

This condition made me feel very uneasy in certain social moments, like school trips or lunches or even a simple dinner or going to the movies. Since I couldn't eat what other people ate, and what I ate was utterly weird and bizarre, I simply didn't go for fear of being mocked or looked down on.

I was also always the good grades guy wherever I went. I always came top of the class, even in college (where things were already starting to change for the better). This meant that, especially early on, I was always a bit isolated. I don't have any problems making friends or keeping them nowadays, and even then I always found friends and I was bizarrely a very sociable person (not the kind of "shy kid at the back", but the one that "gets out there and rallies against teachers if necessary"). It's just that most of my interests weren't the interests of my peers. I liked maths, coding, philosophy, psychology...and most of my friends and peers had other interests. I'm not saying my interests were better (far from it), they were just different.

All of this, coupled with somewhat protective parents, meant that even though I always had social groups (including family friends), I was never keen on "going out" and "partying", or "going camping". So I never wanted to learn how to ride a bike. There was one time when I was very young and we were on vacation at an aunt's house where I briefly tried for a little bit, and failed. But that was it.

Nowadays, while I am certainly still a "stay at home 99% of the time" kind of guy, I exercise, I like walks, I like hanging out with my friends once in a while. And, yes, I would like to ride a bike because it looks cool and awesome. I have an exercise/static bike at home and would very much like to pedal the real thing. Hopefully very soon I'll accept my friends' offer to teach me how to ride one.

You asked, I answered, sorry for the long reply :) If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I just really never felt like I wanted to ride a bike until I was embarrassingly old already. The first time I remember _wanting_ to learn was when I was 19!

Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by TedDoesntTalk on Monday October 03, 2022 @12:17AM (#33063419)
Thanks for the explanation.
Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by retinaros on Saturday October 01, 2022 @05:39PM (#33050381)
dont worry a good chunk of the paris people on a bike cant ride a bike either. no respect of laws , dangerous for pedestrians and to other bikers
Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by oceanplexian on Saturday October 01, 2022 @11:55AM (#33047515)
I was in Paris a few weeks ago and while I think they have decent bike infrastructure, the car infrastructure was terrible.

In Manhattan (which has 4x the population of Paris) you can get an Uber and go a few km in maybe 15-20 minutes. In Paris it’s an hour+. Sure, stealing infrastructure from cars to give to bikes will make biking quicker, but it’s a zero-sun game. You’re basically stealing resources from people who are elderly, disabled, have families, etc. to prioritize bicyclists. Great for some people at the expense of others.

Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by hiq on Saturday October 01, 2022 @12:22PM (#33047749)
> you can get an Uber and go a few km in maybe 15-20 minutes. In Paris it’s an hour+.

From where to where? That's not my experience at all.

> it’s a zero-sun game

It's not, given that you fit way more people on bikes that you would if they were driving cars.

Public transportation is also meant to be usable by the people you mentioned (especially families), you can debate whether they currently foot the bill, but staying stuck on cars is not the solution.

Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by throw__away7391 on Saturday October 01, 2022 @12:58PM (#33048051)
> You’re basically stealing resources from people who are elderly, disabled, have families, etc. to prioritize bicyclists.

I am really sick of this "think of the children" argument for why the US needs to persist in this dysfunctional car-centric model, particularly when they're applied to the only part of the country with halfway decent transportation alternatives. I live in lower Manhattan, we need LESS cars and we're going to get it sooner or later. If you don't like that, please stay out of the city, you have practically the entire continent of cities already suited to live your car-centered suburban life.

Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by Fricken on Saturday October 01, 2022 @05:13PM (#33050163)
Old people, young people, poor people, disabled people: they can't drive. It adds up to a lot of second class citizens.

A friend of mine is a quadruple amputee. He cannot drive, but he can use his motorized wheelchair in bike lanes and travel independently.

Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by mrunkel on Sunday October 02, 2022 @05:41AM (#33054464)
They can (and do in most of Europe) take public transport.
Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by latestagetest on Sunday October 02, 2022 @12:34PM (#33057507)
Manhattan has not 4x the population of Paris. NYC has.

The idea is to make the street accessible for all, so everyone can walk around easily everywhere. The bike lanes are there, so that even elderly and kids feel safe to cycle.

Also Paris being gridlocked has been the case since forever.

Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by retinaros on Saturday October 01, 2022 @05:42PM (#33050408)
100% right. there is also a very weird feeling when you see paris mayor hating so much on cars but loving cabs so much (the g7 taxi, biggest taxi company in france, is a gigantic donator to the socialist party and has been for decades)

at the end her dream is for paris to be copenhagen , a city for the rich people living in the center. if they re healthy theyll bike if they re old theyll have a cab or private driver (just like our dear mayor) and of course lets not forget rich tourists who will ride cabs to go by hermes bags.

this is totally disrespectful toward people living in suburbs and having the need to commute by car

Re:Paris Will Become ‘100% Cyclable’ by vladvasiliu on Sunday October 02, 2022 @05:30AM (#33054408)
While I mostly agree with your points, I think it's fair to say that commuting by car to Paris proper has been absolute hell for a while now.

Parking is horrendously expensive, and it's not always covered by the employer, especially for people not very high up the ladder (think secretaries and even "higher-up" outsourced personnel).

I can understand wanting to limit cars and push public transit. But boy, do I feel that PT has been on a steady decline for many years. So people get squeezed from both sides. So there's still an absurd number of cars on the road around rush hour.

I can't wait for the new metro lines to open and see how things will change. But I think the main issue is the extreme centralization: every company wants to be in Paris proper or La Defense. There are only so many holes you can dig under a city.