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Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by acidburnNSA on Friday September 30, 2022 @04:54PM (#33040643)
I wrote a similar take here on the topic: https://whatisnuclear.com/economics.html
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by godelski on Friday September 30, 2022 @05:49PM (#33041252)
To give context to who acidburn is, he's been a long time HN user, has a PhD in nuclear engineering, has worked in fission and fusion for over a decade, and has blogged about it for years. The take here is the take of an expert and not just a nuclear bro.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by poorlyknit on Friday September 30, 2022 @07:20PM (#33041964)
I don't know acidburn but I'd argue that having a PhD in nuclear engineering and having worked in the field is likely to increase your bias towards nuclear (being a "nuclear bro") rather than equalize it. PLT PhDs will tell you Haskell is the best programming language and environmental science PhDs will tell you solar is the best energy source.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by godelski on Friday September 30, 2022 @08:00PM (#33042273)
This is an odd argument. You're basically saying that being more knowledgeable about something makes your opinion less useful. Everyone knows there's bias but if you're arguing that we shouldn't value someone's opinion because they're an expert then we're not going to progress very far in society. I'm not saying you have to take his word as divine truth but dismissing experts is extremely naive.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by danhor on Friday September 30, 2022 @08:26PM (#33042472)
If you're knowledgeable in one field primarily, I think it's likely you have some bias towards that field. If you are doing a lot of research only in e.g. Solar, I think it'd be harder to provide an unbiased comparison between solar and nuclear than someone who studies power generation in general.

EDIT: At a first glance, the linked article seems reasonable if not a bit optimistic for future developments and very positive phrasing for NPP in general.

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by formerkrogemp on Saturday October 01, 2022 @04:34AM (#33045022)
> If you're knowledgeable in one field primarily, I think it's likely you have some bias towards that field.

'It is ever the domain of specialists to overstate their domain.'

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by poorlyknit on Friday September 30, 2022 @08:44PM (#33042598)
Sibling comment is basically what I meant and my general opinion about the linked website as well.

> You're basically saying that being more knowledgeable about something makes your opinion less useful.

In certain contexts I definitely think this. Imagine you're a CEO that has to decide how to distribute profits among departments. Obviously you'll listen to the head/experts of every department to weigh your options, but you can't really trust them to be unbiased (Obviously not the best analogy but I hope it helps get my point across (: ).

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by implements on Friday September 30, 2022 @06:00PM (#33041364)
(“Acid Burn” was also Angelina Jolie’s handle in Hackers - if it was ringing anyone else’s bell).
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by acidburnNSA on Friday September 30, 2022 @06:28PM (#33041578)
Yeah I made my HN username on a whim years ago after watching that movie and didn't realize it was a dumb choice. I wanted it to be 'hackery' and anon. Oops.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by nmfisher on Friday September 30, 2022 @07:23PM (#33041995)
I think you misspelled “awesome choice”.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by ZeroGravitas on Saturday October 01, 2022 @02:42AM (#33044486)
His take on nuclear is that of a nuclear expert.

His take on nuclear's competitors and hence its relative competitiveness as an electricity source is substantially more nuclear bro / Fox News viewer.

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by acidburnNSA on Sunday October 02, 2022 @03:01PM (#33059094)
We need a new pejorative to mirror "nuclear bro" for people who take any mention or discussion of any downside of wind and solar and blanket categorize them as a Fox News viewer.

There are a lot of anti-100%-renewable nuclear proponents. There are fewer and fewer full-on anti-renewable nuclear proponents.

Most of us support everything that can make low-carbon energy.

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by robmsmt on Friday September 30, 2022 @09:26PM (#33042870)
Thanks for the link, what are your thoughts on the position that France is in with a number of reactors out of action and requiring repairs? From an outsiders perspective, I am curious if it is really as simple as the French not keeping up with maintenance and it catching them at a bad time or are there issues with the reactor type or other influencing factors.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by acidburnNSA on Friday September 30, 2022 @10:28PM (#33043210)
They're experiencing the flip side of the argument of picking one standard reactor and building lots of them identically. If an issue is identified, it can affect your whole fleet. In this case, they were doing an inspection and found unexpected corrosion in a safety system. They checked another similar reactor and found it too. The more they started checking the more they found. So they have to go down for extended outages and repairs, as necessary. This is very bad timing, considering the gas-driven energy crunch.

The repairs can be done, and the reactors will come back online, it just takes time. Very unfortunate, to say the least.

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by HPsquared on Sunday October 02, 2022 @05:48AM (#33054490)
Kind of like those Takata airbag recalls, I suppose.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by aidenn0 on Friday September 30, 2022 @06:43PM (#33041690)
One comment on your sustainability argument, now that I know you are the author:

Calculating "years of energy" based off of current usage seems silly to me given that global energy usage has been rising exponentially for centuries.

For example, if you assume a 3% per-year increase in global energy usage, 12 billion years becomes a bit less than 1000 years.

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by bombcar on Friday September 30, 2022 @06:57PM (#33041804)
Meanwhile California has increased population and kept their energy production relatively stable. We may have reached a peak.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by parineum on Friday September 30, 2022 @08:34PM (#33042525)
California's power grid is not in great shape.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by VintageCool on Saturday October 01, 2022 @12:19AM (#33043831)
With the increase in EVs, AC, and heat pumps, I'd expect electricity demand to increase in the next decade.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by adrianN on Saturday October 01, 2022 @01:24AM (#33044130)
Electricity demand will surely increase. Primary power demand on the other hand will most likely go down. An EV is about 80% efficient from solar panel to movement, an ICE is only about 30% efficient from gas to movement (and you have to invest a whole bunch of energy to get gas into tank starting from oil underground). Similarly, heating with a heat pump is about three times more energy efficient than heating with oil or gas.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by acidburnNSA on Friday September 30, 2022 @10:18PM (#33043169)
Today we use about 600 exajoules of primary energy per year. The sun hits us with about 3.8 million exajoules per year. 1.03^1000 is a factor of 7e12. So under that assumption, the earth would be making 1 billion times more power than we receive from the sun.

I can pretty much guarantee that we won't be scaling at 3%/yr for the next 1000 years. And if we do, that's an argument for lots more nuclear fission, and a lot of fusion too. Because the solar-derived flows (wind, solar, hydro, biofuel, fossil fuel) won't be able to keep up even if we covered 100% of the earth with solar panels!

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by aidenn0 on Saturday October 01, 2022 @10:33PM (#33052269)
Yes, every exponential curve is really a logistic curve in disguise, but using today's energy is picking an arbitrary point along that curve.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by ncmncm on Friday September 30, 2022 @10:27PM (#33043203)
Earth? Who said any of that will be used on Earth? OK, Earth will use a bit of it.

We will need to dismantle gas giants' moons for construction materials.

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by pstuart on Friday September 30, 2022 @06:12PM (#33041467)
Thoughts on LFTR? The presentation that made the rounds many years ago made it seem like it was a solved problem (1965!). That made me rethink the value of nuclear and I'm curious if it's legit.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by acidburnNSA on Friday September 30, 2022 @10:10PM (#33043138)
The thorium molten salt breeder reactor idea is interesting, but not a major game changer at this time, in my opinion.

See details I wrote in links from the other comment.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33041985

Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by philipkglass on Friday September 30, 2022 @07:22PM (#33041985)
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by pfdietz on Saturday October 01, 2022 @07:31AM (#33045784)
It doesn't solve the problems that are actually holding back nuclear.
Re:Why are nuclear power construction costs so high? Part II... by acidburnNSA on Sunday October 02, 2022 @03:06PM (#33059138)
Yeah, that's a succinct summary that I do agree with, thanks.