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Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by swalsh on Friday September 30, 2022 @08:12AM (#33033827)
Intelligence has diminishing returns. Not enough, and that is a problem, but as you get more it becomes worth less and less by itself. The most valuable commodity in our economy is productive attention. A dude with a 105 IQ who "grinds" 16 hours a day will out-compete a dude with a 130 IQ who has a million ideas and thoughts, but can't grind them to reality. Of course someone who is high in both, can become Elon Musk.
Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by nashashmi on Friday September 30, 2022 @08:40AM (#33034057)
Excess Intelligence is like weight weighing you down and preventing you from movement.

Intelligence when you are moving fast is like energy and it helps you move faster.

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by czbond on Friday September 30, 2022 @09:08AM (#33034354)
It's not intelligence. I've found too smart of people typically prophesize as an intellectual exercise rather than feeling the "I have to do something or I'm a failure so let's get building" of the lesser IQ's.
Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by Schroedingersat on Friday September 30, 2022 @08:24AM (#33033923)
You forgot the bit where you inherit an apartheid emerald fortune.
Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by Cwizard on Friday September 30, 2022 @08:44AM (#33034092)
I will be honest, even if I would inherit a fortune 2x as large I would still not be able to achieve what that guy has done. Impressive regardless of any inherited ‘privilege’. Sure he is a little weird but who isn’t.
Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by svnt on Friday September 30, 2022 @11:50AM (#33036501)
You would also need the capitalist indoctrination at a young age so you’re inherently acquisitive at an animal level, and then a ton of luck.

You would likely get the first part for free if your parents managed to amass that kind of fortune.

The second part is just success bias over a large enough population.

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by muglug on Friday September 30, 2022 @09:20AM (#33034497)
I think Elon is a shit person, and deserves tons of scrutiny, but this line of attack is not really true.

It's hard to square the idea that he inherited all that money with his life in Canada as a student, where by all accounts he was living with a lot of debt, paycheck to paycheck.

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by EricDeb on Friday September 30, 2022 @10:24AM (#33035255)
I think it's fair to say he was well off enough that he knew he had a nice fallback if he took some risk. He may not have actually been getting checks from his parents but I'm sure he had a nice inheritance coming.
Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by bbarnett on Friday September 30, 2022 @09:00AM (#33034268)
So your assertion is that people who start with capital, always succeed, irrespective of the parent's statement?

Because loads of people have a leg up, and go absolutely no where.

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by boringg on Friday September 30, 2022 @09:08AM (#33034356)
In fact there are a lot of expressions describing how most people born of wealth go on to lose it. From shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves …
Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by Schroedingersat on Friday September 30, 2022 @09:37AM (#33034661)
I never asserted you don't need the other things.

You need intelligence, social skills, hard work, privilege, and a complete lack of morals.

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by bbarnett on Friday September 30, 2022 @11:13AM (#33035976)
What a horrible, dim, dark view of reality.

You do not need a lack of morals to succeed.

And privilege is not a precursor for success either, it just helps, and as others have said, very much does not guarantee anything.

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by svnt on Friday September 30, 2022 @11:53AM (#33036549)
> You do not need a lack of morals to succeed.

What is your definition of success? What is your definition of morals?

Parent probably means something like “become a billionaire through hostile takeovers” and “interpersonal applied empathy, conscientiousness, and compassion.”

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by flavius29663 on Friday September 30, 2022 @10:50AM (#33035652)
emerald fortune? His father paid 275k USD or so for that mine. It's not that much...average people on HN make that in a year.

He says his father invested 20k or so in his business, again very little by comparison.

Elon Musk was definitely privileged, but he built himself up.

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by ForHackernews on Friday September 30, 2022 @10:58AM (#33035786)
> Elon Musk was definitely privileged, but he built himself up.

Mostly he got lucky that his early crappy company got acquired by Paypal, and then he won the Paypal lottery. The Musk story is about 70% right-place-right-time, 25% great salesmanship and 5% actual engineering genius.

Keep in mind this is a guy who thinks a billion dollar explosive vacuum tube[0] is a better idea than... a train.

[0] https://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/'serious-engineerin...

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by flavius29663 on Friday September 30, 2022 @11:09AM (#33035920)
I think Musk is both an engineer but also a great salesman. The stupid tube is the salesman part...

A lot of people won the paypal lottery, also other lotteries...if you keep winning the lottery(paypal, starlink, tesla, spaceX) maybe it's not a lottery after all. Few have driven a handful of companies to success like he did.

That being said, it's hard to trust the guy, because you never know when it's the salesman or the engineer making the pitch. Also, I wouldn't want to work for him.

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by colinmhayes on Friday September 30, 2022 @11:33AM (#33036254)
> The Musk story is about 70% right-place-right-time, 25% great salesmanship and 5% actual engineering genius

It's just so hard for me to believe this when he's had 3 successful companies. At that point he's making his own luck. I'd put the numbers at 20% luck for being able to attend expensive schools, 65% salesmanship for getting people into EVs and rockets and being a huge persona on twitter, and 15% being good at listening to the engineers he hires and getting the most out of them.

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by Schroedingersat on Sunday October 02, 2022 @07:31PM (#33061500)
If a billion people put all their money on a single number on roulette five times in a row, we wouldn't call the three that won geniuses as a result.

Meritocracy is a myth. billionaires are no better at the awful game of trying to exploit others than the millions of others with privilege, intelligence, drive, and the willingness to do anything to anyone no matter how awful to make line go up. They're just the ones that won.

Re:Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022 by ForHackernews on Friday September 30, 2022 @12:21PM (#33036895)
You don't have to make your own luck when you're a billionaire - everyone else will make it for you. Anything Elon musk touches is instant investor catnip and he has a cult of true believers that chase any trend he offhandedly mentions. Evidence: look what happens to any shitcoin he tweets about.