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Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by baron816 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @01:49PM (#33010917)
No way average SF salary is that low.
Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by jjulius on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:02PM (#33011087)
Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by nwiswell on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:27PM (#33011434)
Alright so:

1) That's not white collar tech jobs, that's ALL jobs in SF

2) That's base salary, not inclusive of other comp like stock and bonus

3) Benefits are a huge slice of the compensation pie: insurance is not cheap, most companies 401k match, etc

4) Payroll tax is a big chunk too

5) There's overhead associated with hires. At a minimum they get a laptop, but if they're onsite you have to furnish a cubicle and pay all associated costs

Fully loaded, the annual expense of a generic tech hire in SF is definitely more like $200k

Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by jjulius on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:34PM (#33011512)
>That's not white collar tech jobs, that's ALL jobs in SF

Right! Because:

>If we are take an average SF salary...

>No way average SF salary is that low.

:)

Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by yardstick on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:00PM (#33011833)
It’s fairly well implied the original statement was related to tech jobs, not just any job, in SF.

From HN guidelines “Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.”

Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by jjulius on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:54PM (#33012432)
>Assume good faith.

Please do the same. My response can basically be read as...

Someone: "I don't think that the average SF salary is $100k."

Me: "You'd be surprised!"

... because I didn't know the answer to that either and found it interesting. That's it, basically.

Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by yardstick on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @11:47PM (#33016069)
Ok thanks for the clarification.
Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by skinnymuch on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:58PM (#33011794)
Not everyone at Docusign is a white collar tech worker. Most likely aren’t.
Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by colinmhayes on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:01PM (#33012514)
I'll go ahead and say the vast majority of docusign workers are white collar. Other than building maintenance and sales they have no ground game that would require low skill labor.
Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by skinnymuch on Thursday September 29, 2022 @12:33PM (#33023073)
I was thinking of white collar tech worker as engineers. However it makes sense to include all the tech workers including UX, PM, etc and then I agree that’s the majority. Aka I was wrong, you’re right.
Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by nwiswell on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:28PM (#33012135)
In my experience, tech companies contract out roles like security, food, janitorial, shipping, and even facilities, so those people would not be included in the 7000-person figure. The people who manage the relationships with the contracting companies are decidedly white-collar.

But maybe DocuSign doesn't do it that way, I don't actually know.

Re:DocuSign to cut workforce by 9% as part of restructuring ... by skinnymuch on Thursday September 29, 2022 @12:33PM (#33023081)
I was thinking of white collar tech worker as engineers. However it makes sense to include all the tech workers including UX, PM, etc and then I agree that’s the majority. Aka I was wrong, you’re right.