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Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by dylan604 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @01:27PM (#33010632)
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by softwaredoug on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:17PM (#33012714)
I guess when Skynet becomes self aware we can just wait for an AWS outage and then bulldoze the terminators into the landfill
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by dylan604 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:36PM (#33012920)
We should start practicing with the Full Self Driving cars getting OTA updates
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by fortunateregard on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:19PM (#33013422)
On an unrelated note, I opened this url in a new tab, took a quick look, then came back to read the comments.

A few minutes after I hear the fans on my pc start ramping up. Sure enough, I open the system monitor and see chrome going crazy on my CPU. In chrome, I open the task manager, then click sort by CPU. The entry at the top of the list reads:

> subframe: facebook[dot]com

I get taken to the open downdetector.com tab after double clicking the entry. After closing the tab everything goes back to normal.

Does anyone know why or what downdetector/facebook would do that requires 100% of my CPU's resources?

PS. I have ublock origin installed. My cpu is an i9-12900K.

Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by j_walter on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:35PM (#33013586)
That is unrelated, but I've seen similar issues recently when logging into Canvas (you know for school). Maxes out my CPU and if I leave it long enough it crashes the tab due to memory...it's not displaying anything special...
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by dylan604 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @08:21PM (#33014868)
Facebook is losing too much money from iOS denying it the goods, so theZuck has mandated SDK to start mining crypto?
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by 0xbadcafebee on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:38PM (#33012250)
You mean I have to pick up a broom and sweep WITH MY ARMS?! This really is the darkest timeline.
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by chasd00 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:34PM (#33011519)
i wonder if any smart locks are down, people being locked in or out of their AirBNBs would be pretty funny.
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by dylan604 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:40PM (#33011597)
of all things to connect to a smart home, the locks to my house would be the absolute bottom of the list. i hate coming home when the power is out and cannot open the garage door. i couldn't imagine not being able to get in at all.

as far as not getting out, any lock unable to be unlocked from inside seems like something should not be allowed to be made. ever.

Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by rootusrootus on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:59PM (#33011812)
The locks are purely additive in functionality, they lose nothing compared to a manual lock. It still has a key for manual unlocking, still has the twist knob on the inside.

But now I can see the status of the lock if I'm away from home, and I can lock it remotely if necessary. I can give out a keypad code to a house sitter. Or I can let someone in real-time from remote.

All my 'smarthome' technology at home is this way. Nothing requires the Internet to work, and if the server fails then only the automation itself stops; all of the switches, locks, and such just fail back into working like any old school switch/lock/etc.

Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by jcrawfordor on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:25PM (#33012106)
Just a few notes:

1. I'm not aware of any smart lock that cannot be locked and unlocked manually from the inside. This would violate fire code for residential structures in a lot of US jurisdictions.

2. Electronic locks in general are either line-powered or battery-powered. Line-powered locks are unusual in residential environments because of the higher complexity of installation (they're more often strikeplates than actuators, although in-door actuators are available).

Battery-powered locks take one of two approaches to resolving power issues: most commonly on residential locks, there is still a key cylinder on the outside to manually lock and unlock. Less commonly on residential locks but more typical of commercial ones, there may be no key cylinder but instead an external connector that allows the programming tool (very common on commercial systems) or a 9v battery (common on residential units) to be connected to provide external power.

3. Cloud-reliant smart locks are pretty rare for practical reasons. Most are still fully functional (often minus remote control via app, but not always) without internet service. Even most commercial systems fall back to cached credentials in the door controller when the connection to the access server is lost, although annoyingly some of the newer "smarter" systems don't.

Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by AdamJacobMuller on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:29PM (#33012151)
I have the Nest/Yale lock without the key, it definitively is not reliant on the Nest cloud being up (or internet working) for access, only to remotely lock/unlock or to program new codes. Do any locks actually fail to work with an already programmed PIN code if the internet is out? That seems like a massive failure. Go to dinner and your router crashes and you can't get back inside to fix it? Wow.
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by jcrawfordor on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:38PM (#33013607)
The only examples I know of are commercial systems, and specifically "cutting edge" commercial systems that are completely IP-based and cloud-managed. These are honestly kind of a disaster and I hope they don't catch on; they can be cheaper to install than conventional commercial systems (with ACU cabinets) but they achieve that cheapness by abandoning most of the reliability and security features of conventional designs. That said some of these get installed fail-open (e.g. loss of management means they stay unlocked) for fire egress reasons.
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by disillusioned on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @06:20PM (#33013995)
My Smart Lock:

* Stores codes on the device itself and still unlocks with no internet connectivity * Is a physical deadbolt inside that works without power * If the lock itself runs out of battery power from the OUTSIDE, you can "jump" it with a 9-volt battery * Allows me to auto-lock after X period of time, or at night * Allows me to NEVER carry keys, ever. Or ever have to worry about keys. * Allows me to manage multiple, time-boxed codes for people (housekeeper can't get in at midnight)

It's pretty damn great, honestly. And I stow a 9-volt in a flower box in case of emergency. (You still need to know the code, obviously.)

It's also absolutely pick-proof/bump-proof because it has no key at all. Not even a backup key.

It's the Yale x Nest lock and is really really nice.

Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by giaour on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:41PM (#33012291)
> as far as not getting out, any lock unable to be unlocked from inside seems like something should not be allowed to be made. ever.

This would vary by jurisdiction, but locks without an unlock lever are usually prohibited by the fire code.

Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by chasd00 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:50PM (#33012371)
interesting. my back door has a deadbolt requiring a key on both sides. ..it's an old house.
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by jaywalk on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:08PM (#33012604)
Why have you left it like that? Yeah it's against fire codes, but for a very good reason: it's incredibly unsafe.
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by giaour on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @11:31PM (#33015985)
My house still has a deadbolt like that, too. They were popular for a while, especially on doors with large glass panes (so that would-be intruders couldn’t smash the glass and unlock the door w/o a key).
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by sslayer on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:09PM (#33013291)
Yet they exist, with a whole industry built around them
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by oceanplexian on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @06:11PM (#33013908)
I have Z-Wave locks and have no problem having them as part of my smart home. The 4x Lithium AA batteries in them last over a year, they don't talk to a "cloud service", but instead a physical server that I have total control over, and you can still use an old-fashioned key to unlock them.
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by qbasic_forever on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:27PM (#33012130)
Every smart or electronic lock I've used just augments the deadbolt and still has your physical key and its tumbler lock as a backup. I have an electronic deadbolt and have never gotten locked out even when its battery dies.
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by readams on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:50PM (#33011712)
I think consumer smart locks still let you use the regular lock if the power is out.
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by hatware on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:43PM (#33011630)
How long do you think batteries last?
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by dylan604 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:49PM (#33011699)
you ask that like you are challenging my idea of not ever using smart locks on my home. instead, you're bringing up another reason to support that decision.

so, which direction were you attempting to move the needle?

Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by hatware on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:03PM (#33011880)
Batteries going out have never locked me out of my home.

Seems like you're putting way too much thought into something that probably won't happen, being 2022 with notifications and all. I don't justify my choices with 0.1% chances.

Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by takeda on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:22PM (#33012075)
You seem to put trust in technology to do important tasks, when they have problems securing a stupid light bulbs.

There's a joke about it:

Tech Enthusiasts: Everything in my house is wired to the Internet of Things! I control it all from my smartphone! My smart-house is bluetooth enabled and I can give it voice commands via alexa! I love the future!

Programmers / Engineers: The most recent piece of technology I own is a printer from 2004 and I keep a loaded gun ready to shoot it if it ever makes an unexpected noise.

Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by dylan604 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @03:37PM (#33012241)
I don't have gun for that, but a baseball bat instead. That scene from Office Space made such an impression, and I swear one day, I will recreate it on a piece of gear that steps out of line.
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:47PM (#33011667)
One hopes the us-west data centers don't use smart locks. Remember the Facebook incident a while back?
Re:AWS us-west-2 issues by dylan604 on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:50PM (#33011722)
You'll find that they are using Nest instead of Ring locks so that it turns out this is a Goog v AMZN adversarial attack.