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Re:Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding by tazjin on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @04:46AM (#33005764)
The US is the only actor that makes any sense to me, especially after Blinken's statement yesterday (~ "it was in nobody's interest, but would you look at the benefits!").

Combine that with the US naval activity in the exact area around the time, and also the "anti"-mine "drills" they did there earlier this year.

The US knows that none of their vassals will ever openly accuse them, and for the Western media it was Russia anyways. So far it seems only that Polish MEP said outright that he thinks it was them, and cheered it on.

Re:Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding by quonn on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @11:29AM (#33009111)
Calling Germany a vassal of the US is more than questionable. I think you also underestimate the EU, as many still do. The US doesn‘t deal with individual states anymore.
Re:Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding by tazjin on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @08:57PM (#33015118)
It's funny to see how our individual comments rank during EU/US daylight hours respectively.
Re:Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding by DangerousPie on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:22AM (#33006036)
Sabotaging their allies' key infrastructure would be an absolutely crazy amount of risk for the US. Even if they think there is a 99% chance they'd not get caught, that is a 1% chance of completely destroying relations their with Germany, Scandinavia, the EU, and probably the entire world. And all of that risk for the very marginal benefit of disabling some pipelines that weren't going to be used anytime soon any way?

I think the much more likely explanation is that this was Russia or at least a faction within Russia. They are the actor that has already started a war in this area, has shown completely disregard for treaties and international law, and has been known to act irrationally (eg. by starting the war in the first place).

Re:Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding by MichaelCollins on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @06:09AM (#33006313)
> And all of that risk for the very marginal benefit of disabling some pipelines that weren't going to be used anytime soon any way?

To ensure they weren't going to be used anytime soon.

> Even if they think there is a 99% chance they'd not get caught, that is a 1% chance of completely destroying relations their with Germany, Scandinavia, the EU, and probably the entire world.

1. The US has a history of taking insane risks with clandestine submarine ops. Much worse risks than this; they did much that could have provoked the Soviet Union during the Cold War, when both sides were threatening each other with nukes.

2. If Germany/Scandinavia/EU/etc did find irrefutable proof that the US did it, they would probably bury that proof and pretend they never saw it. It isn't in their interest to break from NATO even if America did this and they know it.

Re:Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding by bombcar on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @07:51AM (#33006863)
Exactly. The US is in a position of power and everyone knows it.

We could fire missiles into many countries and they’d just take it for quite awhile at this time.

Re:Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding by tazjin on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @08:50PM (#33015072)
They already know that major breaches of trust with Germany etc. have no effect. Why care now?
Re:Nord Stream: Tie-ins and hyperbaric welding by theironhammer on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @01:15PM (#33010479)
The EU is a Vasal of the USA. The EU is completely dependent on USA for Military protection.

Germany cut itself off from Russian gas before securing an alternate source is pure Vasalage.