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Re:Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea by phpthrowaway99 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @04:39PM (#33000817)
I see huge positives for Ukraine and by proxy the US by removing leverage from Russia.
Re:Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea by libertine on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @05:14PM (#33001212)
What leverage?
Re:Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea by phpthrowaway99 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @05:17PM (#33001241)
Europe needs gas. Russia has gas. If EU citizens get cold enough and broke enough, they could entice their governments to give in and stop supporting Ukraine and get their gas turned back on. Idk about you, but if it came down to my grandmother freezing at home or a Ukrainian grandmother living in east Ukraine having to say she's now Russian, the Ukraine grandmother is going first.
Re:Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea by libertine on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @07:07PM (#33002288)
I'm no expert in geopolitics, or international law - but what country would make any deal with the current Russian government?

A government that held the energy sector as an hostage to pressure other countries while they violate international law.

Do you see any possibility of everyone sitting at the table, sign new treaties on top of those that were violated, or new contracts that were torn? Because I don't.

There's no credibility left on one side - Russian government openly stated that they do what ever they want, and no law applies to them because they have nukes. What government on their right mind would do any deal with them? Besides China, India, and Afghanistan, that are getting great deals out of this, while remaining neutral.

>If EU citizens get cold enough and broke enough, they could entice their governments to give in and stop supporting Ukraine and get their gas turned back on.

Whatever may come, we've had it much worse in the past, and we made it through. I doubt anyone will freeze to death, like the propaganda is spreading, at worst some people won't be very cozy.

>Idk about you, but if it came down to my grandmother freezing at home or a Ukrainian grandmother living in east Ukraine having to say she's now Russian, the Ukraine grandmother is going first.

Sometimes it's about doing the right thing, even if it has a cost. You might not want to pay the price, others are, because it's better to stop the warmonger now, than latter at a MUCH higher cost. We should have done it in 2008... or 2014... now we're paying the price for it.

Re:Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea by pydry on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @06:45AM (#33006516)
>what country would make any deal with the current Russian government?

One that really, really needed gas. So, not summer Germany, but winter Germany sure.

Re:Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea by woodruffw on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @09:09PM (#33003171)
This is disgustingly sanguine and diminishing: this war is not about the country code next to a bunch of grandmothers’ names in a database somewhere.
Re:Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea by arisAlexis on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @05:49PM (#33001565)
Not the point. EU cannot buy anything from a country that openly threatens to bomb EU with nukes no matter which grandmother dies where.
Re:Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea by LawTalkingGuy on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @06:17PM (#33001845)
Yes, they could. They'd just declare that people freezing to death in hospitals is worse than the currently theoretical danger of nukes.

But the EU cannot buy gas that doesn't have a pipeline.

Not only will this keep Germany from lapsing in support but it frees all the resources they'd have wasted in-fighting about the issue.

Re:Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea by phpthrowaway99 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @06:13PM (#33001807)
It can. Maybe the word you're looking for is should not.