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Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by lm28469 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @09:43AM (#32995136)
I bet my left nut that in 50 years we'll learn it was a US operation

https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8?t=95

Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by perihelions on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @10:34AM (#32995756)
We actually did do this 40 years ago. Reagan covertly blew up a Soviet gas pipeline supplying Europe in 1982, which was publicized in 2004 when the former Secretary of the Air Force boasted about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/02/27/r... ("Reagan Approved Plan to Sabotage Soviets" (2004))

- "At the time, the United States was attempting to block Western Europe from importing Soviet natural gas. There were also signs that the Soviets were trying to steal a wide variety of Western technology. Then, a KGB insider revealed the specific shopping list and the CIA slipped the flawed software to the Soviets in a way they would not detect it."

- "In order to disrupt the Soviet gas supply, its hard currency earnings from the West, and the internal Russian economy, the pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines, and valves was programmed to go haywire, after a decent interval, to reset pump speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those acceptable to pipeline joints and welds," Reed writes."

Possibly the first software supply-chain attack in history? Before the term even existed.

Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by phkahler on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:07AM (#32996286)
You left out the best part:

"The result was the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and fire ever seen from space," he recalls, adding that U.S. satellites picked up the explosion."

Also:

"When the pipeline exploded, Reed writes, the first reports caused concern in the U.S. military and at the White House. "NORAD feared a missile liftoff from a place where no rockets were known to be based," he said, referring to North American Air Defense Command. "Or perhaps it was the detonation of a small nuclear device." However, satellites did not pick up any telltale signs of a nuclear explosion.

"Before these conflicting indicators could turn into an international crisis," he added, "Gus Weiss came down the hall to tell his fellow NSC staffers not to worry."

Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by csomar on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @01:02AM (#33004408)
They used to do good work before, didn't they? Now, it's just blowup the thing. No more intelligent covering of their actions.
Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by Ambolia on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @10:44AM (#32995906)
Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by 2-718-281-828 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:56PM (#32998782)
nice one - and saying that right next to Scholz. what I'm wondering is - what would even be the incentive to Russia? there is no gas flowing anyway and they would be the first to have it going again while in total control how much gas is going through it at any moment in time. also it gives them bargaining leverage if gas is flowing. why would Russia do that? if they want to mess with German energy on a meta level they can just play the "turbine is broken"-game again.
Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by arrrg on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @04:22PM (#33000634)
Doesn’t make sense at all.

Why blow it up when the German governing parties and the largest opposition party don’t want to move ahead with Nord Stream 2 anyway?

Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by bitL on Thursday September 29, 2022 @05:45AM (#33018305)
Politicians change, sometimes abruptly, especially during crisis. This prevents the "new guys" from starting the pipeline.
Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by arrrg on Friday September 30, 2022 @06:08AM (#33032991)
That’s an ultra dumb approach and assumes there are no costs associated with sabotage (risk of being uncovered, unintended side effects).

Currently (and during the last decades) politics in Germany have been very stable and predictable.

Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by roody15 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @08:16PM (#33002853)
Think it was pretty clear it was a US operation now.. No need to wait. Reports are CIA let other countries know about a "possible" attack weeks ago.

US sees this conflict dragging out throughout the winter. They cannot afford to have EU nation states go back to Russian Gas.

Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by torginus on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @10:55AM (#32996089)
Why not Ukrainian?

I don't understand why wouldn't they want to perform this sabotage against their open enemies? Even openly?

I'm wondering why this didn't happen sooner.

Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by lm28469 on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @11:40AM (#32996807)
Ukraine is still pumping Russian gas to Europe through their own pipeline and are being paid by Russia for it

They could sabotage their own if they really wanted to, or just switch it off.

Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by drran on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @12:38PM (#33010003)
For Ukraine, it's better to confiscate NS as a compensation for the war, so it better to keep it off and intact, until it will be Ukrainian.
Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by XorNot on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @06:41PM (#33002076)
Because Ukraine isn't going to get caught committing an act of war against NATO in Europe while fighting an existential war for its own existence against Russia while completely dependent on supplies from NATO.

The obvious answer here is going to be the correct one: it was Russia. Specifically Putin: Russia can be rebuilt on gas to Europe if it ceases the invasion, but Putin specifically won't survive such an event.

Ensuring his potential successor can't "make a deal with the West" is exactly his sort of thinking. With a side benefit of people asking questions like this right now (I mean, this is catastrophic for him long run, but so is the entire war so it's also on brand with his incompetence).

Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by rainworld on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @10:28AM (#32995663)
Won’t take 50 years.
Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by CentralHarvest on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @01:06PM (#32998104)
U.S. Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland: "If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward." https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/1486818088016355336
Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by arrrg on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @04:09PM (#33000487)
Nord Stream 2 is (politically) dead in Germany, reviving it is a total fringe position in German politics. And: Putin doesn’t currently deliver any gas through it or Nord Stream 1 anyway. Gas storage in Germany is still filling up, gas prices are going down and it looks like getting through this winter will be tough but it also looks like there will be no dramatic gas shortage in Germany. And all indications are that while things are though, it seems as though there is enough flexibility to move away from Russion gas and that has, if anything, only accelerated. I more or less expect things to become easier as time goes by, not harder, with this winter now looking to be only a bump in that road.

In that current favorable climate for anyone whose political goal it is that Germany does not rely on Russian gas I see no strategic value at all in sabotaging Nord Stream 1 or 2.

You don’t need to blow up Nord Stream 2 if the position of the German government and the largest opposition party is to not move forward with Nord Stream 2 anyway. That would only seem to unnecessarily complicate things (and sabotage can only ever really delay things, better to actually also have the political will align with your own).

Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by funnym0nk3y on Tuesday September 27, 2022 @06:23PM (#33001914)
You really think that there is enough integrity in German politics and more important in German people that they won't change course? I don't. Seeing how people follow irrational populists on the smallest expected change in their life makes me doubt that.
Re:Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day by arrrg on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @02:43AM (#33004914)
Changes in course are possible but won’t be sudden. Plenty of time to react in those cases.